Milk is murder

[hbriem]

I stumbled across this blogpost:

http://www.gymjunkies.com/the-truth-about-milk/

and was just blown away. What a deluge of stupid, insane, inane pseudoscientific bullshit!

[Dastardly]

This quote is by Jason Ferugia, is something which all milk haters are first to say:


” Cows milk is unfit for human consumption. It’s meant to feed baby cows, not adult humans. In fact humans are the only species that drinks the milk of another species.

This is however a total bullshit assumption made be people who's diets, lifestyle and mentality are further removed from "nature" than anyone else.

Many animals consume products created by other creatures.

A very common example is the relationship between ants & aphids. Ants take infant greenfly to graze on the tender parts of green foliage (pasture!) as the aphids eat they secrete a sweet sap from their bodies which the ants use as their own food.

This is an example of even basic insects farming an inferior species for a secretion product.

There are many examples of this, and much more complicated systems & relationships in nature.

[tescott]

"Once we reach our mid 20s the body develops allergens to many dairy products"

How do you develop allergens??

[Baker]

"In fact humans are the only species that drinks the milk of another species."

http://www.worldculturepictorial.com/images/content/dog_adopts_tiger_cubs.jpg

[BruteForce]

Fresh raw milk..........

http://www.realmilk.com/where1.html

[Dastardly]

"Once we reach our mid 20s the body develops allergens to many dairy products"

How do you develop allergens??

Indeed most people have childhood allergies that they grow out of. It is possible to get new allergies, but much less common and they are no where near as strong as the childhood ones.

It is extremely rare to be allergic to milk. Plus there is the fact that being exposed to or ingesting things you are allergic to does not actually cause you any harm.

I am clinically "atopic" which means I am potentially allergic to everything. Including the AIR. However I have extremely minimised all of my allergies by exposing myself to them and never ever medicating.

The best way to fix allergies is to stop being such a fucking baby.

[WatsupHannity]

http://www.escapeartist.com/Live_In_Costa_Rica/Fresh-Milk.jpg

[StrongIslander,NY]

i seriously wonder- if someone was to market human breast milk(making sure theres no drugs- and its completely homogenized etc) would it have benefits for lifting-hell if it has all those antibodies for a baby etc. anyone know what the protein fat etc breakdown ratios are? imagine that we as humans assimilate this better than cow milk and the intake of this type of milk was a 2/1 ratio. meaning a half gallon would have the same effect as1 gallon of cow.

how handy would that be?---yes handy....

[Dastardly]

i seriously wonder- if someone was to market human breast milk(making sure theres no drugs- and its completely homogenized etc) would it have benefits for lifting-hell if it has all those antibodies for a baby etc. anyone know what the protein fat etc breakdown ratios are? imagine that we as humans assimilate this better than cow milk and the intake of this type of milk was a 2/1 ratio. meaning a half gallon would have the same effect as1 gallon of cow.

how handy would that be?---yes handy....

If I ever have a wife with lactating boobs I am gonna taste some fo sho' ;)

[IWillLiveFreeOrDie]

If I ever have a wife with lactating boobs I am gonna taste some fo sho' ;)

It is quite watery, and not at all what you would expect. Go buy some baby formula if you want to get an idea. It is engineered to be as close to human milk as possible. I heard some athletes use baby formula instead of protein powder. I have tubs of it in the house, but the shit is too damn expensive for me to experiment with! :D

[BigJavs]

no shit we're the only ones who drink animal milk...no one else has the brains and the opposable digits to milk a cow. I hate that argument.

[tennisgod]

Go buy some baby formula if you want to get an idea.

Then get ready for some nasty shits... half toxic waste matter, half velcro.

[Dastardly]

Then get ready for some nasty shits... half toxic waste matter, half velcro.

My training diet has already created that.

[Cmanuel]

Leigh peele probably sums up what most scientific evidence suggests about milk. Theres no significant proof that its bad for you, but if people want to believe that them let them be, they wont be changing their mind anytime soon.

I've never seen so many ignorant statements regarding raw milk. I dont have time to pick apart them all, but this one strikes me as particulary ignorant

Rob Pilger - Boxingperformance.com

"Raw milk contains lactic acid producing bacteria that protects us against pathogens"
Hey rob, you moron, did you know that raw milk consistently has pathogens as well? Raw milk harbors Brucella, Campylobacter, Listeria, Mycobacterium bovis, Salmonella, Shiga toxin-producing E. coli, Shigella, Streptococcus pyogenes, and Yersinia enterocolitica. According to CDC, from 1993 to 2006, 69 outbreaks of human infections resulting from consumption of raw milk were reported. These outbreaks included a total of 1,505 reported illnesses, 185 hospitalizations and 2 deaths. Because not all cases of foodborne illness are recognized and reported, the actual number of illnesses associated with raw milk likely is greater.

There is definitely a quantifiable risk increase associated with drinking raw milk and contracting a foodborne pathogen. There is no built in safety mechanism. THINK people, its made illegal in most places for a reason...

But what do I know? I'm only a food microbiologist. . .

[coreJack]

A very common example is the relationship between ants & aphids. Ants take infant greenfly to graze on the tender parts of green foliage (pasture!) as the aphids eat they secrete a sweet sap from their bodies which the ants use as their own food.

This is an example of even basic insects farming an inferior species for a secretion product.
You should send this to Jason Ferrugia. It might make his head explode like in that scene from Scanners.

[elVarouza]

no shit we're the only ones who drink animal milk...no one else has the brains and the opposable digits to milk a cow. I hate that argument.

I agree, I think that argument is silly as well. It's akin to the "our ancestors did such and such so we should be doing this as well". E.g. 10000 years ago people didn't drink cow milk all the time (don't hold me to 10000yrs).

Well for fuck's sake, cavemen also didn't barbell train. Should we not do that? Back in caveman times the average life expectancy was what, 25yrs old? Now it's 72yrs (in the US, for men). Seriously, I've actually heard an argument stating we shouldn't eat large breakfasts because our ancestors woke up, hunted mammoth all day, then feasted at night. Wtf?

Also, maybe we should be worried about other, more important food issues. I think the high availability and consumption of overly processed foods is much more dangerous than the drinking of milk.

[cycomiko]

i seriously wonder- if someone was to market human breast milk(making sure theres no drugs- and its completely homogenized etc) would it have benefits for lifting. hell if it has all those antibodies for a baby etc. anyone know what the protein fat etc breakdown ratios are? imagine that we as humans assimilate this better than cow milk and the intake of this type of milk was a 2/1 ratio. meaning a half gallon would have the same effect as1 gallon of cow.

how handy would that be?---yes handy....

Depends on what you like

low protein, high sugar and moderate fat

tastes like sweet watery bleh

and formula tastes different to boob juice

[applescruffette]

It is extremely rare to be allergic to milk. Plus there is the fact that being exposed to or ingesting things you are allergic to does not actually cause you any harm.

I am clinically "atopic" which means I am potentially allergic to everything. Including the AIR. However I have extremely minimised all of my allergies by exposing myself to them and never ever medicating.

The best way to fix allergies is to stop being such a fucking baby.

Milk is considered one of the 8 most common allergens here in the US. Their presence in food, along with the other 7, is required to be put on labels.

I am "atopic" as well. I have a high IgE level and RAST panels and all the goodies to delineate my allergies. When one is so lucky to have a high IgE, being tough and exposing yourself has nothing to do with "overcoming" allergies. Your allergies must not have been too bad.

[applescruffette]

i seriously wonder- if someone was to market human breast milk(making sure theres no drugs- and its completely homogenized etc) would it have benefits for lifting-hell if it has all those antibodies for a baby etc. anyone know what the protein fat etc breakdown ratios are? imagine that we as humans assimilate this better than cow milk and the intake of this type of milk was a 2/1 ratio. meaning a half gallon would have the same effect as1 gallon of cow.

how handy would that be?---yes handy....

You guys drinking whole milk would want the hindmilk. The foremilk is like skim milk. It's very sweet, sweeter than cow's milk. If you've ever had soy milk, the sweetness of breastmilk is closer to that. Breastmilk grows babies big very well.

[tescott]

Indeed most people have childhood allergies that they grow out of. It is possible to get new allergies, but much less common and they are no where near as strong as the childhood ones.

It is extremely rare to be allergic to milk. Plus there is the fact that being exposed to or ingesting things you are allergic to does not actually cause you any harm.

I am clinically "atopic" which means I am potentially allergic to everything. Including the AIR. However I have extremely minimised all of my allergies by exposing myself to them and never ever medicating.

The best way to fix allergies is to stop being such a fucking baby.

Yes, but to develop an allergen, as opposed to an allergy is mighty unusual..

[Tom Campitelli]

But what do I know? I'm only a food microbiologist. . .

Your formal training and professional experience in these matters is detrimental to your ability to make silly and unsupportable statements. Please work harder on this.

[applescruffette]

Plus there is the fact that being exposed to or ingesting things you are allergic to does not actually cause you any harm.


You do know that people die from eating things to which they are allergic, right? The number is actually quite small annualy, but that's because the people who do have severe reactions take some pretty spiffy and effective medications to prevent death from occurring or find an ER PDQ. It doesn't take long before a severe reaction causes problems with the breathing.

Your ignorance about food allergies is scary.

[Cmanuel]

Your formal training and professional experience in these matters is detrimental to your ability to make silly and unsupportable statements. Please work harder on this.

Silly and unsupported? You really think the presence of pathogens in raw cows milk is silly and unsupported? I cite an unbiased source, unlike most of the people in the original blog post.

[IlPrincipeBrutto]

Silly and unsupported? You really think the presence of pathogens in raw cows milk is silly and unsupported? I cite an unbiased source, unlike most of the people in the original blog post.

I think your sarcasm detector might need a new battery.


IPB

[Kate]

Plus there is the fact that being exposed to or ingesting things you are allergic to does not actually cause you any harm.

Read and learn: anaphylactic shock (http://www.webmd.com/allergies/guide/anaphylaxis).

[Dastardly]

Being someone who grew up with strong allergies to a massive number of things (and still clinically allergic to everything on an allergy test) I feel I am in a position to make such comments.

You can use personal judgement to gauge how strong reactions might be to certain substances.

I used to be so violently allergic to legumes such as lentils & peas that the mere smell of them would make me itch and my throat start to swell up.

However they are both now staples in my diet.

Progressive Chronic exposure works. In addition, a good diet helps a lot too.

I used to eat a lot of crap when I was a kid, I think it definetely had a part in causing allergies.

[JCavin]

Silly and unsupported? You really think the presence of pathogens in raw cows milk is silly and unsupported? I cite an unbiased source, unlike most of the people in the original blog post.


Unless I read this wrong, I think he was sarcastically saying that you're right...

"...detrimental to your ability to make silly and unsupportable statements."

Maybe i'm reading it wrong?

[Chewie_jrc]

...
There is definitely a quantifiable risk increase associated with drinking raw milk and contracting a foodborne pathogen. There is no built in safety mechanism. THINK people, its made illegal in most places for a reason...

But what do I know? I'm only a food microbiologist. . .

LoL. Yeah, the all-knowing government's decision to make things legal is always grounded in flawless empiricism and logic....

[Cmanuel]

I think your sarcasm detector might need a new battery.


IPB

Yes, I see it now. haha got a good laugh out of his comment now that i understand.

[Dastardly]

Something worth remembering regarding Raw milk is that the milk transferred diseases that affect humans the most: tuberculosis & brucellosis wont be an issue in with good farming standards.

Cattle get Brucellosis if they are living in very dirty environments and also malnourished.

In the UK I know that all dairy animals are checked regularly for TB and promptly destroyed if they are infected. I imagine the USA has similar standards if not better. The USA has so much warmer places, and much more land in general. Which would reduce incidences of TB in the first place.

[applescruffette]

Being someone who grew up with strong allergies to a massive number of things (and still clinically allergic to everything on an allergy test) I feel I am in a position to make such comments.

You can use personal judgement to gauge how strong reactions might be to certain substances.

I used to be so violently allergic to legumes such as lentils & peas that the mere smell of them would make me itch and my throat start to swell up.

However they are both now staples in my diet.

Progressive Chronic exposure works. In addition, a good diet helps a lot too.

I used to eat a lot of crap when I was a kid, I think it definetely had a part in causing allergies.

So you outgrew the allergies to legumes and peas, but to say that people just need to stop being fucking babies about having allergies is just really, well, stupid. For those of us who have high levels of IgE in our blood and subsequent allergies, telling us to stop being fucking babies is like telling someone with type 1 diabetes to stop being a fucking baby and go make some fucking insulin already.

I'm calling your bluff on the severity of your former pea and lentil allergy, too.

[Guido]

Something worth remembering regarding Raw milk is that the milk transferred diseases that affect humans the most: tuberculosis & brucellosis wont be an issue in with good farming standards.

Cattle get Brucellosis if they are living in very dirty environments and also malnourished.

In the UK I know that all dairy animals are checked regularly for TB and promptly destroyed if they are infected. I imagine the USA has similar standards if not better. The USA has so much warmer places, and much more land in general. Which would reduce incidences of TB in the first place.You clearly are not aware of the sad lack of regulation of the agricultural, food processing and distribution industries in the United States. Most of the food in this country come from "factory farms". Check out Eric Schlosser's book "Fast Food Nation" for more on this or see the movie "Food, Inc.".

[Dastardly]

For those of us who have high levels of IgE in our blood and subsequent allergies, telling us to stop being fucking babies is like telling someone with type 1 diabetes to stop being a fucking baby and go make some fucking insulin already.



I really did not expect to offend anyone by saying that. I was in a way talking to myself. Getting this aggressively proactive attitude has really helped me with the many medical ailments I have. It was the first step that led me towards barbell training!

And my allergy to nearly all legumes (except peanuts for some reason) was indeed very strong. I really do believe that both improving diet/lifestyle and exposing myself to the allergens really helped.

As diet improved allergies subdued enough to consume very small quanties of allergens without going into anaphylactic shock. I would still get severe itching and throat swelling but I persevered with regularly exposing myself to allergens.

I had no medical guidance on this, I did it out of my own frustration. And it worked!

Over the past couple of years I have taken the same approach to dealing with allergies that give me breathing difficulties. And other aspects of my health.

I have made progress on everything.

So indeed I still maintain that simply toughening up and 'dealing with it' in the most simplistic manner can really help.

Allergies is one of those areas in medicine where there is surprisingly poor science and reliable information available. This is nothing at all like type 1 diabetes, perhaps you could liken the situation to type 2 diabetes.

The fact that almost no one in poorer countries has allergies (other than man made pollution) really enforces the idea that exposing yourself to every possible allergen and not eating heavily processed food & artificial additives can really make a massive difference.

This is just my experience, like I said. I do not feel there is much reputable science on the matter at all. Just like with learning difficulties like ADHD & Autism, you cannot really trust common medical rhetoric. In these situations it is best to use common sense.

[Dastardly]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/feb/21/peanut-allergy-clinical-trial?CMP=AFCYAH

[mstrofbass]

So you outgrew the allergies to legumes and peas, but to say that people just need to stop being fucking babies about having allergies is just really, well, stupid. For those of us who have high levels of IgE in our blood and subsequent allergies, telling us to stop being fucking babies is like telling someone with type 1 diabetes to stop being a fucking baby and go make some fucking insulin already.

I'm calling your bluff on the severity of your former pea and lentil allergy, too.
Just out of curiosity, have you read the recent news about the difference between testing allergic to something and actually having an allergic reaction? Have you ever tried one of those sessions where you slowly get exposed to the allergen to test if you actually have a reaction to it?

(The premise of the recent studies/shifting views relating to allergies doesn't in anyway debate anything you're saying, I've just not had the chance to converse with anyone that had possibly related allergies since I read it.)

[Krump]

I stumbled across this blogpost:

http://www.gymjunkies.com/the-truth-about-milk/

and was just blown away. What a deluge of stupid, insane, inane pseudoscientific bullshit!

I think the only thing stupid, insane, inane or pseudo-scientific is the title, "The Truth about Milk". There is clearly no truth to this matter but most of the replies from the respondents are reasonable, prudent statements like, "if you are lactose intolerant don't drink it", "if it makes you feel like crap don't drink it". "if you are strength training and can tolerate it it is a great way to increase your intake of food energy."

Personally I think milk is far from perfect, it gives me gas, makes my shits less regular, and my skin blotchy. If I wasn't trying like hell to consume as much muscle building food as possible I wouldn't drink it, but when you are trying to consume the maximum amount of restorative food as possible it sure helps tip the scales in your favor.

75% of the world's adult population can't digest the stuff. Whats so inane about suggesting milk isn't perfect for human consumption?

[cycomiko]

75% of the adult population make up statistics to suit themselves

[applescruffette]

Just out of curiosity, have you read the recent news about the difference between testing allergic to something and actually having an allergic reaction? Have you ever tried one of those sessions where you slowly get exposed to the allergen to test if you actually have a reaction to it?

(The premise of the recent studies/shifting views relating to allergies doesn't in anyway debate anything you're saying, I've just not had the chance to converse with anyone that had possibly related allergies since I read it.)

Yep, I am definitely aware of the difference between testing allergic to something and actually having a reaction.

As far as the slow exposure to an allergen, I haven't had it done, because I don't have one outstanding thing that I'm allergic to (just a bunch of different things to varying degrees), but my daughter has had it. She had a scratch test on her back in which she tested very, very positive to a certain type of food--and the reaction she had to the food the night before that test gave no doubt as to the accuracy of the test and no way were we going to try having her eat it again--but she also did test questionably positive to peanuts. A week or 2 later we went to the allergist's office where she sat there eating peanut butter on crackers to verify or rule out a peanut allergy. It was certain that she had no peanut allergy.

[applescruffette]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/feb/21/peanut-allergy-clinical-trial?CMP=AFCYAH

This is talking about the equivalent of 5 peanuts, not making peanuts a staple in a peanut-allergic person's diet. It means there can potentially be little leeway when there is an accidental ingestion. Fairly strict food restriction still has to be maintained. The person is still going to be allergic to peanuts regardless.

[BruteForce]

87% of statistics are bullshit..... wait.....

[mstrofbass]

Yep, I am definitely aware of the difference between testing allergic to something and actually having a reaction.

As far as the slow exposure to an allergen, I haven't had it done, because I don't have one outstanding thing that I'm allergic to (just a bunch of different things to varying degrees), but my daughter has had it. She had a scratch test on her back in which she tested very, very positive to a certain type of food--and the reaction she had to the food the night before that test gave no doubt as to the accuracy of the test and no way were we going to try having her eat it again--but she also did test questionably positive to peanuts. A week or 2 later we went to the allergist's office where she sat there eating peanut butter on crackers to verify or rule out a peanut allergy. It was certain that she had no peanut allergy.

I find it amazing that things like this are news, and in the world of smart doctors it wasn't common practice to actually TRY some of these things. Not like similar things don't happen in our fitness world or anything...

[Krump]

75% of the adult population make up statistics to suit themselves

Why so dismissive? Do you disbelieve that the majority of the adult world can't use milk as food?

[mstrofbass]

Why so dismissive? Do you disbelieve that the majority of the adult world can't use milk as food?

I think he's just commenting on the malleability of statistics.

[TrackJunkie]

That might be, but the ability to digest milk is one of the classical examples of recent selective adaptations in human populations. Recent being "sometime in the last 7000 years."

[TrackJunkie]

I found a number of citations for this recently, but the percentage of human population that maintains lactase production into adulthood decreases rapidly as you move east of Europe, and apparently roughly zero percent of native american populations digest milk late into life.

[Rorschach]

I'll agree that milk isn't digested as efficiently as it could be in the vast majority of people, but claiming 75% of people can't digest it at all flies in the evidence I see every day.
Even if you mean lactose intolerant people (who can still digest it to some extent), I'm dubious that it's that high. I don't know anyone who's lactose intolerant, and while I don't exactly grill people on it, if it were that high, I'm sure I'd have had some RL exposure to it. Sure there are no doubt geographical variations, but I see a lot of asians drinking milk too. ;)

Anyway, enough quibbling over statistics. We might not have evolved to digest milk perfectly yet, but it's still a cheap source of nutrients, and valuable to most people without specific medical conditions.

[BruteForce]

I don't believe it's an inability to digest it, simply an inefficiency in terms of our digestive system as rorschach suggested. You are saying that 3 out of 4 people on the street can't digest milk? As you are grocery shopping next time, check out how many people are buying milk. I doubt they would buy it if it were causing them serious discomfort and gas. Those statistics are extremely overblown.

[Krump]

I don't believe it's an inability to digest it, simply an inefficiency in terms of our digestive system as rorschach suggested. You are saying that 3 out of 4 people on the street can't digest milk? As you are grocery shopping next time, check out how many people are buying milk. I doubt they would buy it if it were causing them serious discomfort and gas. Those statistics are extremely overblown.

Your right about the digestibility of milk being on a variable scale; I overstated when I said "can't use for food". But outside of descendants of Northern Europe, many populations have a harder time digesting milk with many of those populations having an almost complete inability to digest it at all.

I am not saying 3 out of 4 people on the streets of Duluth, MN can't digest milk and I would think you know that too. The world is not Any Street USA.

The rest of your assertions are really silly man; like midieval logical reasoning silly. Since you gave me the fodder, I going to have fun with it, even if it is stupid and dickish of me:

When I was at the supermarket this morning I was the only one there buying milk. Since I was the only one, no one else buying milk can't drink it. Therefore everyone in the world can drink milk but I am the only one in the world who drinks it. Logic has proved I am the God of Dairy.

How in the hell is people I see buying milk at my local supermarket representative of the world's population? The world is a lot bigger than a supermarket.

[cycomiko]

I think he's just commenting on the malleability of statistics.

or that oft repeated statistics are based upon low quality of evidence

[cycomiko]

I'll agree that milk isn't digested as efficiently as it could be in the vast majority of people, but claiming 75% of people can't digest it at all flies in the evidence I see every day..

Go to a market in a chinese city, or singapore, or malaysia or yada yada adn see the vast availability and sales of milk/milk based products. Sells awfully well for a group that is often claimed to have 90% of them intolerant to lactose.

[TrackJunkie]

Disclaimer: The following map is from wikipedia and I didn't check to make sure it was well sourced, but it definitely gives you an idea of why most of us don't know all that many lactose intolerant people, given that most of us live in america, or in locations that have been otherwise occupied by Europeans.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/LacIntol-World2.png

[cycomiko]

Disclaimer: The following map is from wikipedia and I didn't check to make sure it was well sourced

lol


but it definitely gives you an idea of why most of us don't know all that many lactose intolerant people, given that most of us live in america, or in locations that have been otherwise occupied by Europeans.


Good for those who have never left the shores of the USA, but some of us are not like that.

Take a look at Japan in that chart. its bright red, showing ~91-100 lactose intolerance. So somewhere between 0 and 11million people could theoretically consume lactose liquid milk.

They certainly produce and consume an awful lot of milk for a population thats nearly completely intolerant

Of course, they dont reference that value on their buildup...

[BruteForce]

I find this thread to be absolutely ridiculous in that you are coming to one of the main sites on the web that advocates GOMAD for strength athletes, and saying they shouldn't be drinking it. I don't think anyone on here gives a crap about how the rest of the world digests milk. All that matters is that those on here who can, do, because it helps them gain.

[cycomiko]

Super awesome internet fail

[hbriem]

I find this thread to be absolutely ridiculous in that you are coming to one of the main sites on the web that advocates GOMAD for strength athletes, and saying they shouldn't be drinking it. I don't think anyone on here gives a crap about how the rest of the world digests milk. All that matters is that those on here who can, do, because it helps them gain.

Eh?

I like milk and drink some every day (not quite GOMAD, I'm 47 and well over 200 lbs but a fair bit).

I started this thread because I thought many of the negative comments on milk completely ridiculous and completely unfounded.

That said, on more careful reading of the original link, I found that the most negative (and most ridiculous) milk comments all came from one person, Jason Ferrugia and many of the respondees had positive things to say about the best muscle-building food there is.

[vmarwin]

I love this quote:

" In fact humans are the only species that drinks the milk of another species."

We're also the only species that uses iPhones.

[Rorschach]

Hedgehogs in the UK have been repeatedly observed drinking cows milk from their udders.
Crafty little buggers.

Edit: Citation needed. A quick browse on the net implies this may just be a myth. Still, the fallacy of that argument has been pointed out by my esteemed colleague.

[Slevn81]

This reminds me of the crap about a commerical for becoming vegetarian, whatever that disgusting organization is, and one of their reasons was "because meat--makes you fat." With a pause. What a world it is out there

[MazdaMatt]

People around me don't understand my love of milk. They really don't comprehend when I say "Given the choice of a chocolate bar or cold pint of whole milk, i'd take the milk every time" (disregarding health, i mean to say I honestly enjoy cold whole milk more than I enjoy candy). I remember when I was like 10y/o getting home from karate, putting a new bag of milk (we bag it here in canada, 1.3 litres, approx 1/3 gallon) in the container and demolishing the whole thing.

Some people's asses explode when they have a glass of milk. I get bunged up when I DON'T have milk.

[jkoch]

Leigh peele probably sums up what most scientific evidence suggests about milk. Theres no significant proof that its bad for you, but if people want to believe that them let them be, they wont be changing their mind anytime soon.

I've never seen so many ignorant statements regarding raw milk. I dont have time to pick apart them all, but this one strikes me as particulary ignorant

Rob Pilger - Boxingperformance.com

"Raw milk contains lactic acid producing bacteria that protects us against pathogens"
Hey rob, you moron, did you know that raw milk consistently has pathogens as well? Raw milk harbors Brucella, Campylobacter, Listeria, Mycobacterium bovis, Salmonella, Shiga toxin-producing E. coli, Shigella, Streptococcus pyogenes, and Yersinia enterocolitica. According to CDC, from 1993 to 2006, 69 outbreaks of human infections resulting from consumption of raw milk were reported. These outbreaks included a total of 1,505 reported illnesses, 185 hospitalizations and 2 deaths. Because not all cases of foodborne illness are recognized and reported, the actual number of illnesses associated with raw milk likely is greater.

There is definitely a quantifiable risk increase associated with drinking raw milk and contracting a foodborne pathogen. There is no built in safety mechanism. THINK people, its made illegal in most places for a reason...

But what do I know? I'm only a food microbiologist. . .

This is interesting, thanks Cmanuel. Drinking raw milk seems to be a growing fad among my wife's friends who are the antivaccination/home birth/homeschooling types. Fortunately my wife isn't influenced by them.

[MazdaMatt]

That's good, we could use fewer virusproliferating/babykilling/undereducated people in the world.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

The best way to fix allergies is to stop being such a fucking baby.

Fucking hilarious, man. Classic!

[impumped]

I've been on GOMAD for a few months now. After about 2 hours of drinking the milk I get a lot of gas and need to find a toilet quick haha. Guess this means I'm lactose intolerant.

If I keep doing GOMAD is it bad for my body because of the lactose intolerance? If not I'll just keep doing it, just have to make sure there's always a toilet nearby haha.

[gordonrumble]

It's not really 'bad' for you in that it won't cause health issues, but I'd still recommend you check out lactase pills. At Costco they're dirt cheap and work like a charm.

So I've heard, anyways. I can drink milk no problem.

[moboss]

i seriously wonder- if someone was to market human breast milk(making sure theres no drugs- and its completely homogenized etc) would it have benefits for lifting-hell if it has all those antibodies for a baby etc. anyone know what the protein fat etc breakdown ratios are? imagine that we as humans assimilate this better than cow milk and the intake of this type of milk was a 2/1 ratio. meaning a half gallon would have the same effect as1 gallon of cow.

how handy would that be?---yes handy....

Colostrom might be your ticket.