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Koalala
02-12-2010, 08:45 AM
In Momg there's this question that really confuses me.

Northernyogi :Was thinking of switching from whole milk to half and half. When I looked at the stats on both, it looked like I could get the same of everything with half the volume (1/2 gal of half and half vs.1 gal of whole milk). Your thoughts?

Rippetoe :You looked at the stats wrong half a gallon of half and half has twice the fat, one third the carbs, and less than half the protein than 1 gallon of milk, If you want less volume get evaporated milk.

How could this be true when I look at the stats whole milk has less protein than half half (halffull) per 100 ml and more fat.

Locutus
02-12-2010, 08:53 AM
???

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/dairy-and-egg-products/69/2
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/dairy-and-egg-products/48/2

Then, divide the half and half numbers by 2 to figure out the ratios.

August West
02-12-2010, 08:59 AM
Not sure what stats you're using. Regarding protein: even if whole milk has the same or less protein per 100 ml, like you say, you can still see why a full gallon of milk would have more protein than 1/2 gallon of half-and-half, can't you? Per-unit measurements don't decide the issue when the units being consumed are different.

As for fat, half-and-half has much more per serving.

Whole milk: http://www.thedailyplate.com/nutrition-calories/food/generic/whole-milk (8g fat per cup/8 oz.)

Half-and-half: http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-cream-fluid-half-i1049 (27.8g fat per cup)

Read Rip's answer again carefully: "half a gallon of half and half has twice the fat . . . and less than half the protein than 1 gallon of milk." Think about it. It makes sense.

Koalala
02-12-2010, 09:01 AM
I live in Europe could that differ from your milk?

Because the milk container really says otherwise.
Protein is the same in 100 ml but the whole version has significantly more fat in it.

I do not think they would lie about such facts.
The protein makes sence ( although it should be half the protein).
But according to the stats on my milk 1/2 a gallon of half half can never contain twice the fat of a full gallon of whole milk.

scotty022
02-12-2010, 09:03 AM
In Momg there's this question that really confuses me.

Northernyogi :Was thinking of switching from whole milk to half and half. When I looked at the stats on both, it looked like I could get the same of everything with half the volume (1/2 gal of half and half vs.1 gal of whole milk). Your thoughts?

Rippetoe :You looked at the stats wrong half a gallon of half and half has twice the fat, one third the carbs, and less than half the protein than 1 gallon of milk, If you want less volume get evaporated milk.

How could this be true when I look at the stats whole milk has less protein than half half (halffull) per 100 ml and more fat.

According to nutritiondata.com, 1 cup (244 g) of whole milk has 146 cal, 8 g fat, and 8 g protein. 1 (fluid, not whipped) cup of heavy cream has 821 cal, 88 g fat, and only 5 g protein. In America, half and half is half milk, half cream.

So a cup of half and half would have 483 cal, 48 g fat, and 6.5 g protein. You're tremendously increasing fat and calories, but decreasing protein. You need protein to build muscle.

Dastardly
02-12-2010, 09:09 AM
Koalala is getting mixed up between half & half which is cream & whole milk mixed together.

And skimmed milk vs. whole milk.

Half & Half:
http://www.bonappetit.com/images/tips_tools_ingredients/ingredients/2008/11/ttar_half_and_half_v.jpg
Half Fat (2%) milk:

Koalala
02-12-2010, 09:13 AM
Yes this is true I am sorry :(
Skimmed milk is a good alternative I guess :D

Tom Campitelli
02-12-2010, 09:21 AM
Skimmed milk is a good alternative I guess :D

Unfortunately, it is not. Whole milk for the win.

Koalala
02-12-2010, 09:23 AM
Unfortunately, it is not. Whole milk for the win.

More Fat same Protein does not look like a win to me.

misspelledgeoff
02-12-2010, 11:16 AM
Then you need to get your head on straight. How much do you weigh?

More Fat same Protein does not look like a win to me.

PVC
02-12-2010, 11:19 AM
More Fat same Protein does not look like a win to me.

You clearly don't understand how the human body functions. Your body needs fat. Lots of fat.

scotty022
02-12-2010, 11:22 AM
More importantly, how fast are you gaining weight? 5 pounds a week is not too tough--if I can do it, anyone can.

But Gary Gibson is smarter than me. Read this: http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showpost.php?p=89407&postcount=4

Force Production
02-12-2010, 11:44 AM
You clearly don't understand how the human body functions. Your body needs fat. Lots of fat.

Lots? No it doesn't... 0.5 g/lb seems to be the recommended amount. Fat is easy to get anyway.

Koalala
02-12-2010, 12:07 PM
Lots? No it doesn't... 0.5 g/lb seems to be the recommended amount. Fat is easy to get anyway.

this.

IWillLiveFreeOrDie
02-12-2010, 01:16 PM
I just switched from 2% to whole milk this week. Makes my shakes a little creamier! :D

Joe D.
02-12-2010, 09:11 PM
Lots? No it doesn't... 0.5 g/lb seems to be the recommended amount. Fat is easy to get anyway.

Says the US Government Food Pyramid that's based on a foundation of lies and media propaganda. Growing mammals tend to need more fat to grow properly, which is why breast milk is so high in fat, especially saturated. In addition, you can safely eat more than than that amount of fat, especially on such a high calorie diet. Look at this study, for example,http://preview.tinyurl.com/fatstudy (The link was too big, you can check what it is before going there with the preview style link).
People are eating 61% of their total calories from fat each year and they still have an equivalent if not better blood lipid profile compared to those that eat 30% of their total calories from fat.

timt
02-20-2010, 11:19 PM
It's the calories that give whole milk thee ffect it does, not the protein. Take all what you know about dieting and throw it out the window. The only thing you need to worry about is total calories, if you want to put on muscle/weight make sure your in a calorie surplus, if you want to loose weight make sure your in a calorie deficient. Don't worry about anything else.

Sami
02-21-2010, 04:00 AM
It's the calories that give whole milk thee ffect it does, not the protein. Take all what you know about dieting and throw it out the window. The only thing you need to worry about is total calories, if you want to put on muscle/weight make sure your in a calorie surplus, if you want to loose weight make sure your in a calorie deficient. Don't worry about anything else.

It goes beyond just the calories and macronutrients with milk. Milk is very anabolic, more so than the equivalent calories, protein, carbs and fat found in anything else.