Im not going to lie..I suck at eating.

[indian_lifter]

Hey guys,

First time poster, long time lurker. I cant eat. Ilve been logging my calories for a week and each day, i eat 3120 calories, including 1/2 gallon of reduced fat milk. The consistency is there but i lack the calories needed to grow. What do you guys eat that adds lots of calories each day, quite quickly without much effort. 6'1'' 169 lbs. I need about 40-50lbs to not look like a concentration camp victim.

[Dastardly]

Hey guys,
reduced fat milk. The consistency is there but i lack the calories needed to grow. What do you guys eat that adds lots of calories each day,.

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[indian_lifter]

?

I guess that might be an issue.

[Paul Sousa]

Peanut butter.

[Dastardly]

I guess that might be an issue.

Seriously, creamier milk tastes much better. If you have access to it, youd be silly not to drink whole milk.

Are you actually in India? Buffalo milk is fairly common there, which is even better.

If I remember right, Liver increases appetite as well as containing many useful vitamins & minerals. You can get in pill form.

Spices such as Cinammon can help. Are you vegetarian? (I hope not).
If you are making a meat dish of either chicken or beef or mutton, put some stick of cinnamon in at the beginning with the onions. Guaranteed to make your mouth water.

I heard that spiking your insulin levels can make you very hungry, but best you ask Mr Schaeffer about that.

[Charles Staley]

Butter, mayo, olive oil shots...


Hey guys,

First time poster, long time lurker. I cant eat. Ilve been logging my calories for a week and each day, i eat 3120 calories, including 1/2 gallon of reduced fat milk. The consistency is there but i lack the calories needed to grow. What do you guys eat that adds lots of calories each day, quite quickly without much effort. 6'1'' 169 lbs. I need about 40-50lbs to not look like a concentration camp victim.

[NKT]

Whole milk - 1 quart with each meal
Cream - (fresh and sour) add to your food wherever you can
Cheese - great on-the-go food when you don't have much time
Butter - get grass-fed butter if you can find it and eat a tbsp a couple of times a day.
Eggs - don't even think about removing the yolks unless you're going to eat them and discard the whites
Potatoes - makes a great vehicle for sour cream and butter
Ground beef - 80% lean. Hamburgers, pasta sauce, meatloaf, hamburger gravy etc...

[Pistol Pete]

Fix the milk to at least 2% I can't do the taste of whole milk so that's what I did. Also what's this 1/2 gallon? GOMAD not .5GOMAD!!! That gives you an extra 1000 calories right there. The other thing, it takes effort to eat the amount of food you want to be eating at this stage. I found eating to be harder than the actual workout when I started.

[PVC]

Hey guys,

First time poster, long time lurker. I cant eat. Ilve been logging my calories for a week and each day, i eat 3120 calories, including 1/2 gallon of reduced fat milk. The consistency is there but i lack the calories needed to grow. What do you guys eat that adds lots of calories each day, quite quickly without much effort. 6'1'' 169 lbs. I need about 40-50lbs to not look like a concentration camp victim.

The answer is, you're being a pussy.

Try this:

Breakfast
4 Eggs
3 pieces of bacon
2 pieces of bread
Calories: ~ 700

Lunch
Big Mac Combo
Calories: 1040

Dinner
Half of a Delissio rising crust pizza, one of the ones with lots of meat (Meat Lovers, Canadian, Supreme, etc)
Calories: ~1000

And 1 Gallon of Whole Milk
Calories: ~2500

Total: 5240

This is a sample day for how I ate a couple of months ago when on SS. The format is basically to eat about 1000 calories for lunch and dinner, more than 500 calories for breakfast, and drink a gallon of milk. But the hard part isn't to come up with a plan, it's to actually follow it. Even with the most calorie dense foods it's not easy (for most people) to eat >5000 calories per day. So get eating. As a popular shoe company says: Just Do It.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Like two days after somebody puts up a semi tongue-in-cheek post about all the SE Asian types on this board having too many excuses about eating and whatnot, and we have "Indian Lifter" supposedly unable to figure out how to eat enough?

Huh.

[Tom Campitelli]

Hey guys,
I cant eat.

Why is it that you cannot eat?

[indian_lifter]

Why is it that you cannot eat?

I try and eat, but i get full pretty fast.

Does this increased tolerance level for food come with practice?

I know that many of you started pretty similar to my situation so did you guys just jump right into the heavy eating or did you ease in 500 calories increasing each day?

[PVC]

I try and eat, but i get full pretty fast.

Does this increased tolerance level for food come with practice?

Yep. But you've got to try. That means being uncomfortably full after every meal, for a while.


I know that many of you started pretty similar to my situation so did you guys just jump right into the heavy eating or did you ease in 500 calories increasing each day?

Just jump in. The problem with trying to increase your calories by 500 a day is that the body is a very fickle organism. Some days you will be hungrier than others. Eat as much as possible each given day. Unfortunately the ability to consume large volumes of food doesn't progress quite as linearly as your strength does on SS, but if you eat as much as possible every day you will be able to eat more next week, on average, than this week.

[gzt]

Jump in, but you won't get to 7000 overnight. Start with 4000, then move to 5000, then 6000. 5000 may be adequate, but try 6000 for a while. If it seems like too much, go back to 5000. It will never be easy, but if you try 7000 on the first night, you'll throw up. But, yeah, you have to work.

[indian_lifter]

Yep. But you've got to try. That means being uncomfortably full after every meal, for a while.



Just jump in. The problem with trying to increase your calories by 500 a day is that the body is a very fickle organism. Some days you will be hungrier than others. Eat as much as possible each given day. Unfortunately the ability to consume large volumes of food doesn't progress quite as linearly as your strength does on SS, but if you eat as much as possible every day you will be able to eat more next week, on average, than this week.

ok. Thanks for the advice. I had an idea of increasing calories while snacking on peanuts. Instead of including them as a subsection of a meal, since i dont like almonds, ill keep a full sandwich bag of peanuts with me and finish that throughout the day, each day.

As for the milk, its going to be hard but is it ok if i partition it each week? I have no problem drinking 1/2 GOMAD a day but when i start working into the 3/4- a whole GOMAD, i start feeling really heavy/bloated and that queasy feeling you get when you are about to throw up.

I was thinking a milk schedule like this to work up a tolerance to it. Once the tolerance level is built, Ill be doing the GOMAD everyday until the YNDTP reccommends to stop the milk.:

Mon: 1/2 GOMAD
Tues: 3/4 GOMAD
Wed: GOMAD
Thurs:1/2 GOMAD
Fri: 3/4 GOMAD
Sat: GOMAD
Sun: 1/2 GOMAD

This cycle will keep me from shitting water until i get used to the large volumes of milk.

Sadly, i am a fan of the "look good nekked" idea so ill be doing a 1 day of low intensity cardio(stationary bike) and one day of HIIT swimming.

[Mr.City]

I'm assuming that he can't eat meat.

[indian_lifter]

I'm assuming that he can't eat meat.

how do you know??

[PVC]

I was thinking a milk schedule like this to work up a tolerance to it. Once the tolerance level is built, Ill be doing the GOMAD everyday until the YNDTP reccommends to stop the milk.:

Mon: 1/2 GOMAD
Tues: 3/4 GOMAD
Wed: GOMAD
Thurs:1/2 GOMAD
Fri: 3/4 GOMAD
Sat: GOMAD
Sun: 1/2 GOMAD

This cycle will keep me from shitting water until i get used to the large volumes of milk.

You can try this if you like, but it strikes me as a bad idea. Why not try for 2/3 GOMAD all of this week, then 3/4 all of next week, then full GOMAD the week after that?

Also, if you're about to yak from drinking too much milk then stop drinking it for a couple of hours (or for that day, if it's nighttime). But at least try to drink the extra milk.

[PVC]

I'm assuming that he can't eat meat.

I find this racist.

[Mr.City]

Those following the Hindu religion have posted here and on other board with similar problems. With meat out of the equation, you will need as much calorie dense food as you can get, such as nuts, milk, etc. You desire look good naked is what I'm taking as a desire for a six pack. This, combined with your inability to eat meat, makes for a bad combo

[indian_lifter]

You can try this if you like, but it strikes me as a bad idea. Why not try for 2/3 GOMAD all of this week, then 3/4 all of next week, then full GOMAD the week after that?

Also, if you're about to yak from drinking too much milk then stop drinking it for a couple of hours (or for that day, if it's nighttime). But at least try to drink the extra milk.

11 cups week 1, 12 cups week 2. Doesn't seem terrible at all.

Ill do this instead of my idea. With this, im getting more milk than compared to my idea.

Thanks. Im starting a log now!

[indian_lifter]

Those following the Hindu religion have posted here and on other board with similar problems. With meat out of the equation, you will need as much calorie dense food as you can get, such as nuts, milk, etc. You desire look good naked is what I'm taking as a desire for a six pack. This, combined with your inability to eat meat, makes for a bad combo

Im probably a good 15 lbs away from a six pack. And for the sake of the kind board members that encourage skiiny guys like me to gain weight, like yourself, i wont post a picture...

I dont like being weak, so ill deal with that first and then cut the fat because i read a couple posts on this site about fat being easy to cut once the strength and muscle has been built.

[Mr.City]

You wouldn't happen to post at Bodybuilding.com, would you?

[indian_lifter]

You wouldn't happen to post at Bodybuilding.com, would you?

Nope. I lurked around on websites(TNation, Iron Addicts, Stronglifts, etc..) and they said that BB.com is filled with misinformation so i figured its best to stay away from there.

Why?

[LondonTiger]

indian_lifter, your dietary restrictions aren't best for hyperthropy without putting on 2x the amount of fat on at the same time. Your saving grace I guess would be if you can eat eggs, and if you can, then you'll need to go through 30 or so eggs a day, to get clean protein.

Proteins from carbs are not complete (don't contain all 9 amino acids to create a single protein, so you need to mix and match a varaity of vegetables to get your protein, and even then, you'll be laced with carbs and fats which may go over what you need.

With egg whites you can up your protein intake without the excess carbs.

there are dedicated vegan bodybuilders, in fact i googled one a while back and I got the eggwhite idea from him. but don't know of any powerlifters..

[indian_lifter]

indian_lifter, your dietary restrictions aren't best for hyperthropy without putting on 2x the amount of fat on at the same time. Your saving grace I guess would be if you can eat eggs, and if you can, then you'll need to go through 30 or so eggs a day, to get clean protein.

Proteins from carbs are not complete (don't contain all 9 amino acids to create a single protein, so you need to mix and match a varaity of vegetables to get your protein, and even then, you'll be laced with carbs and fats which may go over what you need.

With egg whites you can up your protein intake without the excess carbs.

there are dedicated vegan bodybuilders, in fact i googled one a while back and I got the eggwhite idea from him. but don't know of any powerlifters..

Ill worry about hypertrophy when the time comes. For now, i need to build some strength that will be useful in helping me attain the hypertrophy i ultimately want to achieve.

So far, ive got:

Egg Whites
Whey Protein
Muscle Milk
Peanut Butters
Peanuts <- incomplete
Soy, on ocassion.
Chick Peas
And other various indian food that has protein in it.
Milk

Im not going to put on 2 itmes the amount of fat as a "normal" SS trainee would am i?

[Bahadur]

Like two days after somebody puts up a semi tongue-in-cheek post about all the SE Asian types on this board having too many excuses about eating and whatnot, and we have "Indian Lifter" supposedly unable to figure out how to eat enough?

Huh.

As a lifter of SE Asian descent, lets not besmirch all of us Indians. SS got me to a ""respectable" 207 lbs, and that was utilizing a half-assed approach.
I intend to run through the novice all the way using my whole-ass next time.

Most of these guys are vegetarian, which significantly limits their gains, obviously.

[NKT]

Ill worry about hypertrophy when the time comes. For now, i need to build some strength that will be useful in helping me attain the hypertrophy i ultimately want to achieve.

So far, ive got:

Egg Whites NO... eat the whole egg, or just the yolk. If you must tinker with it, separate and throw out the whites.
Whey ProteinThis is OK, but don't use it to replace anything, include it on top of the huge piles of food you're eating. Sort of filling in the gaps in your stomach between all of the pieces of solid food
Muscle Milk OK for convenience... but real food is better
Peanut Butters Watch out for partially-hydrogenated oils, sugars, etc... the ingredients list should say something like "peanuts, salt"
Peanuts <- incomplete
Soy, on ocassion. Avoid. This one will turn you into a woman. Maybe that's an exaggeration, but it does have plenty of estrogen-mimicing compounds and antinutrients.
Chick Peas Mmmm... hummus.
And other various indian food that has protein in it.
Milk Drink lots of this. As much as you can tolerate. Milk variants are great too: yogurt, kefir, sour cream, etc.

Im not going to put on 2 itmes the amount of fat as a "normal" SS trainee would am i? Go out on a limb and give it a try. Eat lots of fat and protein from high-quality whole-food sources, eat lots of vegetables, avoid sugar, and follow the SS program without adding or omitting anything. You will be shocked by how much muscle you put on during the first month or so. After the "novice-ness" starts to wear off, THEN start thinking about dialing in the diet to limit fat gain and trim down a little if you need to.
see comments in red above

[T.J.]

The earlier in the day you start eating the better.

Similarly, working out earlier gives you more time to eat. I get hungry again way faster after each meal if I've already done my lifting.

Put olive oil on everything.

Grind up dry oats in a coffee bean grinder and add them to your protein shakes. (This actually might make you feel waaaay to full. It's easy to down a ton of oats this way.)

Take the milk with you around the house/office. Ice cold milk is hard to drink. The warmer it gets the easier it is to drink fast. Don't let it actually get warm though.

Are you pre-cooking and portioning out your meals or main courses? The only way I can stay consistent is by cooking the roast/chicken/rice etc... early in the week. I portion it up and freeze it. Just heat and add sauce and veggies.

[Dastardly]

Im pretty sure that Indian Lifter is an Alias of MrBlink.

[GripAU]

Im pretty sure that Indian Lifter is an Alias of MrBlink.

Same. 90% sure. Could be wrong though.

[kfreeman]

Call me crazy but the warmer milk gets the harder it becomes for me to drink. Obviously it needs to be an actual liquid and not a milk slush or brick of ice, but I prefer it as close to damn cold as possible without the above two happening.

[Dastardly]

Call me crazy but the warmer milk gets the harder it becomes for me to drink. Obviously it needs to be an actual liquid and not a milk slush or brick of ice, but I prefer it as close to damn cold as possible without the above two happening.

Im the opposite, if milk is somewhere between room temp & warm, it glides down unoticed. However if its cold straight out of the fridge then its pretty difficult to drink. I get out of breath a lot and brainfreeze when drinking cold stuff.

[metermanja]

indian lifter = mr blink

i am vegetarian and have added 30 lb bodyweight weighing in now at a decent 207lb. Like everything else the body adapts. A consistent GOMAD approach has covered any deficits in my diet.

[FatButWeak]

What is your favorite food? It does not matter if it is a snickers bar - what is your favorite food, the one you could eat three times a day every day?

Eat that after all meals and as an in between meal snack.

You need to stretch out the rugae or folds in your stomach lining to accomodate more food. Do that with your favorites.

[Kostas]

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[indian_lifter]

Ok guys, with your help, ive put this together:

Breakfast:
2 PB Sandwiches
3 Cups of whole Milk
3 Whole Eggs
1 scoop of whey + water

Pre Training:
Protein Bar
2 Cheese Quesedillas
3 Cups of milk
Creatine + Water

Post Training:
2 scoops of whey
1 scoop of muscle milk
1 banana
2 spoons of PB
3 Cups of Milk

2 avocados blended with cilantro, lime, salt, olive oil(1000 cals dip with salsa and chips)

Dinner:
Brown Rice
Curry
4 cups of milk
Ramen Noodles

Cals: 5346
Protein: 315g
Carbs: 245g
Fats: 190g

[NKT]

Congratulations! Your diet no longer looks like a limiting factor in your training. Combine that diet with heavy training and good rest, and you'll be pleasantly surprised by what happens.

[gamedog]

I've been keeping up with your diet on this thread for a while now. Good job making the necessary modifications. Keep it up.

Now, I'm not Jain or Hindu, and I'm not a vegetarian. BUT, I LOVE Indian food. And buddy, I can tell you, Chana Masala and Saag Paneer will be your best friends, here. Plenty of GOOD carbs, and both are VERY calorically dense. Plus, spicy chickpeas are just awesome, and spinach and paneer cheese fucking rocks!

[indian_lifter]

I've been keeping up with your diet on this thread for a while now. Good job making the necessary modifications. Keep it up.

Now, I'm not Jain or Hindu, and I'm not a vegetarian. BUT, I LOVE Indian food. And buddy, I can tell you, Chana Masala and Saag Paneer will be your best friends, here. Plenty of GOOD carbs, and both are VERY calorically dense. Plus, spicy chickpeas are just awesome, and spinach and paneer cheese fucking rocks!

Indian food is really good.

I LOVE paneer. Im also a fan of Chana Masala. Although, I like Mali Kofta a bit more.

[gamedog]

Mali Kofta is awesome. I know quite a few vegetarians who would benefit from Ayurvedic food, even if they still didn't eat meat. If, for no other reason than the sheer variety of good food they could eat. Strangely, many of them -at least, the ones I know, don't enjoy Indian food. And I think they're selling themselves short. Eat your Mali Kofta, Saag Paneer and drink your whey protein shakes. Keep eating the quesadillas too, and the rest of what you got and lift heavy! Keep getting stronger ;-)

[vivek]

indian lifter-

1. if you are a vegetarian, you are making things harder on yourself than necessary. meat and animal protein is damn near impossible to replace with veggie products, peanut butter, whatever. just my opinion.

2. drink a GOMAD. work up to it, and it makes a huge difference.

3. read the article on this website- "A Clarification". It explained a lot of questions i had.

i am a complete novice. i also fucked this program up once. this second time through it, i intend to not fuck it up.

hope this helps.

v

[SamGriffin]

No need to get complicated. Just drink olive oil a few times a day with meals. 2litres/week=16 000kcal.

[Patrick L.]

Someone said it earlier and I will say it again. There is nothing that helps aid in recovery like drinking milk. If I have a tough recovery period, it is usually because I have been slacking off on my milk drinking. Keep pushing it until you have a full GOMAD...

[indian_lifter]

Someone said it earlier and I will say it again. There is nothing that helps aid in recovery like drinking milk. If I have a tough recovery period, it is usually because I have been slacking off on my milk drinking. Keep pushing it until you have a full GOMAD...

Funny you should mention milk..

Since monday, ive started GOMAD and have successfully completed it for 3 days. Its getting easier each day.

[Kostas]

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[MazdaMatt]

I think i like the idea of more of my cals coming from protein instead of supplimenting 16,000/wk from pure fat. Though now and then i grab the extra virgin olive oil and just take a gulp of it :)

[Leakey]

I think i like the idea of more of my cals coming from protein instead of supplimenting 16,000/wk from pure fat. Though now and then i grab the extra virgin olive oil and just take a gulp of it :)

200 grams of protein a day isn't many calories. Fat is A LOT more calorie dense.