Ultimate Junk Food for Weight Gain

[Ardek]

I see that fast food works wonders, but what about complete junk food with (apparently) no nutritional value? Stuff like popcorn, candy, cake, chocolate, etc.

1. Will this help me gain weight?
2. Will this aid my recovery?

[METAL VIPER]

1. Will this help me gain weight?

Umm, yeah.

[Carlos Daniel]

I would only do that as a last resource, but if it makes the lifts go up then doing that for a couple of months won't kill you. But I'm convinced that if you have space in your stomach for a chocolate bar and popcorn, you would be better off filling that space with milk, eggs or big macs.

[Carnivroar]

I don't see how chemicals, preservatives, artificial colors, industrial oils, gluten, etc, would help you with recovery. O.o

[Dastardly]

Popcorn is a waste of space. But chocolate is great.

[Tiburon]

I see that fast food works wonders, but what about complete junk food with (apparently) no nutritional value? Stuff like popcorn, candy, cake, chocolate, etc.


You misunderstand the concept of "nutritional value." There is no such thing as "no nutritional value." That's like saying "this soup has no physics"

[Squatson]

steak and rice

[Carnivroar]

steak and rice

+1

I eat that everyday. White rice with butter and olive oil... yum.

[MazdaMatt]

"this soup has no physics"

Haha

[Nauticus]

I don't see how chemicals, preservatives, artificial colors, industrial oils, gluten, etc, would help you with recovery. O.o

I don't see how they're going to hurt, if the source of those things has high protein and calories

double cheeseburgers ftw

[LondonTiger]

we need another dumb person from the world in a coffin fast..

Bon appetit my friend, bon appetit.

[forgeforth]

Why not drink whole milk, eat double cheeseburgers and steak. Dense calories, delicious and high in protein/animal fats. This doesn't mean you can't enjoy junk food. I generally limit my junk intake and eat it only after my workout to replenish glycogen.

There are a lot of ways you can get dense calories.

[LondonTiger]

wtf is a dense calorie?

a clorie is a caorie, the only dense macronutrient is fat as its 9 cals per gram, compare to ;protein and carbs which are 4 cals per gram.

cheeseburgers arent worth it, i ate loads and got fat really quick.

a cheeseburger has roughly 1:1:1 fat:protein:carb ratio in grams, considering that a gram of fat gives more than twice amount of calorires as the other two, it gives you a lot of fat, a lot of which are trans fats which the body cant burn for energy straight away so has to be stored as bodyfat, also has lots of sugary carbs with little fibre..

cheeseburger are a fools way to get nutrition, ive ate may half pounders in the last 2-3 months and i dont think they're worth it.. even gomad is bad, it gives you constipation from the hjigh amount of sugars and little fibre

[Carlos Daniel]

wtf is a dense calorie?

a clorie is a caorie, the only dense macronutrient is fat as its 9 cals per gram, compare to ;protein and carbs which are 4 cals per gram.

cheeseburgers arent worth it, i ate loads and got fat really quick.

a cheeseburger has roughly 1:1:1 fat:protein:carb ratio in grams, considering that a gram of fat gives more than twice amount of calorires as the other two, it gives you a lot of fat, a lot of which are trans fats which the body cant burn for energy straight away so has to be stored as bodyfat, also has lots of sugary carbs with little fibre..

cheeseburger are a fools way to get nutrition, ive ate may half pounders in the last 2-3 months and i dont think they're worth it.. even gomad is bad, it gives you constipation from the hjigh amount of sugars and little fibre

Did msingh hack LondonTiger's account? (just a joke :D)

[forgeforth]

wtf is a dense calorie?

a clorie is a caorie, the only dense macronutrient is fat as its 9 cals per gram, compare to ;protein and carbs which are 4 cals per gram.

cheeseburgers arent worth it, i ate loads and got fat really quick.

a cheeseburger has roughly 1:1:1 fat:protein:carb ratio in grams, considering that a gram of fat gives more than twice amount of calorires as the other two, it gives you a lot of fat, a lot of which are trans fats which the body cant burn for energy straight away so has to be stored as bodyfat, also has lots of sugary carbs with little fibre..

cheeseburger are a fools way to get nutrition, ive ate may half pounders in the last 2-3 months and i dont think they're worth it.. even gomad is bad, it gives you constipation from the hjigh amount of sugars and little fibre

By dense calories I simply mean foods that contain a lot of calories. These foods are widely available and one does not have to resort simply to junk.

[Tiburon]

a clorie is a caorie, the only dense macronutrient is fat as its 9 cals per gram, compare to ;protein and carbs which are 4 cals per gram.



Alcohol is a nice dense macronutrient, 7 KCal / gram

[tertius]

Alcohol is a nice dense macronutrient, 7 KCal / gram

I'm going to start a program called "Bourbon & Barbells", and I will be RICH I TELL YOU, RICH!

[Carlos Daniel]

I'm going to start a program called "Bourbon & Barbells", and I will be RICH I TELL YOU, RICH!

Feel the burn!

[ZachN]

http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/nutrition/efs-classic-captian-of-the-cups/

Awesome article by Dave Tate, he'll teach you how to bulk!

[DV]

I like this one better.


There was a time at the Old Westside gym where I couldn't gain weight to save my f-g life.

There was this dude who trained there who could just put on weight like f-g magic. He'd go from 198 to 308 and then to 275 and back down to 198. And he was never fat. It was amazing.

I finally asked him one day how he did it.

"You mean I never told you the secret to gaining weight? Come outside and I'll fill you in."

Now remember, we're at Westside Barbell. And this guy wants to go outside to talk so no one else can hear. Think about that for a minute. What the hell is he going to tell me? This must be some serious s-t if we have to go outside, I thought.

So we get outside and he starts talking.

"For breakfast you need to eat four of those breakfast sandwiches from McDonalds. I don't care which ones you get, but make sure to get four. Order four hash browns, too. Now grab two packs of mayonnaise and put them on the hash browns and then slip them into the sandwiches. Squish that s-t down and eat. That's your breakfast."

At this point I'm thinking this guy is nuts. But he's completely serious.

"For lunch you're gonna eat Chinese food. Now I don't want you eating that crappy stuff. You wanna get the stuff with MSG. None of that non-MSG BS. I don't care what you eat but you have to sit down and eat for at least 45 minutes straight. You can't let go of the fork. Eat until your eyes swell up and become slits and you start to look like the woman behind the counter."

"For dinner you're gonna order an extra-large pizza with everything on it. Literally everything. If you don't like sardines, don't put 'em on, but anything else that you like you have to load it on there. After you pay the delivery guy, I want you to take the pie to your coffee table, open that f-kr up, and grab a bottle of oil. It can be olive oil, canola oil, whatever. Anything but motor oil. And I want you to pour that s-t over the pie until half of the bottle is gone. Just soak the s-t out of it."

"Now before you lay into it, I want you to sit on your couch and just stare at that f-kr. I want you to understand that that pizza right there is keeping you from your goals."

This guy is in a zen-like state when he's talking about this.

"Now you're on the clock," he continues. "After 20 minutes your brain is going to tell you you're full. Don't listen to that s-t. You have to try and eat as much of the pizza as you can before that 20-minute mark. Double up pieces if you have to. I'm telling you now, you're going to get three or four pieces in and you're gonna want to quit. You f-g can't quit. You have to sit on that couch until every piece is done.

And if you can't finish it, don't you ever come back to me and tell me you can't gain weight. 'Cause I'm gonna tell you that you don't give a f-k about getting bigger and you don't care how much you lift!"

Did I do it? Hell yeah. Started the next day and did it for two months. Went from 260 pounds to 297 pounds. And I didn't get much fatter. One of the hardest things I've ever done in my life, though.

[Carnivroar]

wtf is a dense calorie?

a clorie is a caorie, the only dense macronutrient is fat as its 9 cals per gram, compare to ;protein and carbs which are 4 cals per gram.

cheeseburgers arent worth it, i ate loads and got fat really quick.

a cheeseburger has roughly 1:1:1 fat:protein:carb ratio in grams, considering that a gram of fat gives more than twice amount of calorires as the other two, it gives you a lot of fat, a lot of which are trans fats which the body cant burn for energy straight away so has to be stored as bodyfat, also has lots of sugary carbs with little fibre..

cheeseburger are a fools way to get nutrition, ive ate may half pounders in the last 2-3 months and i dont think they're worth it.. even gomad is bad, it gives you constipation from the hjigh amount of sugars and little fibre

Cheeseburgers have trans fats? What the hell are you on? ... if you mean the natural CLA fatty acids in beef, then yes, it does. But those are very beneficial, not like the man-made trans fats.

The bad thing about cheeseburgers is the bread. Wheat is one of the worst thing you can eat!

[misspelledgeoff]

I lol'd.


You misunderstand the concept of "nutritional value." There is no such thing as "no nutritional value." That's like saying "this soup has no physics"

[drewcarroll2]

I like this one better.

How can you seriously eat like that and not get fat. Even if you train your ass off. I mean, if it is true then that is fucking awesome, and I'm down, because eating like that would make me the happiest guy on the planet. But I don't believe it.

Is this true?

[Carlos Daniel]

This is Westside we are talking about. They make no secret of their steroid use.
At least Louie doesn't and seems to have the opinion that you can't achieve an elite level in powerlifting without steroids, so you can pretty much assume that a good portion of his lifters are using too.
I don't know if Dave Tate has gone on record saying he uses steroids, but I think you can be quite sure of that too.

[Tom Campitelli]

The bad thing about cheeseburgers is the bread. Wheat is one of the worst thing you can eat!

Somebody has been reading the Paleo blogs, apparently.

[Sami]

wtf is a dense calorie?

a clorie is a caorie, the only dense macronutrient is fat as its 9 cals per gram, compare to ;protein and carbs which are 4 cals per gram.

cheeseburgers arent worth it, i ate loads and got fat really quick.

a cheeseburger has roughly 1:1:1 fat:protein:carb ratio in grams, considering that a gram of fat gives more than twice amount of calorires as the other two, it gives you a lot of fat, a lot of which are trans fats which the body cant burn for energy straight away so has to be stored as bodyfat, also has lots of sugary carbs with little fibre..

cheeseburger are a fools way to get nutrition, ive ate may half pounders in the last 2-3 months and i dont think they're worth it.. even gomad is bad, it gives you constipation from the hjigh amount of sugars and little fibre

Oh look, another person has confused 'eating a cheeseburger' with 'magically becoming a fat-ass and dying'.

[drewcarroll2]

How can you seriously eat like that and not get fat. Even if you train your ass off. I mean, if it is true then that is fucking awesome, and I'm down, because eating like that would make me the happiest guy on the planet. But I don't believe it.

Is this true?

Can someone seriously answer this question?

[Carlos Daniel]

In case you haven't noticed, my last post was an answer to yours. Or you think that steroid use has nothing to do with eating like a polar bear after 6 months in hibernation and not getting fat?

[DV]

How can you seriously eat like that and not get fat. Even if you train your ass off. I mean, if it is true then that is fucking awesome, and I'm down, because eating like that would make me the happiest guy on the planet. But I don't believe it.

Is this true?


Can someone seriously answer this question?

Why don't you try it - or as close to it as you can stand. Obiously adding 20 lbs of BW when you are already 260 is alot different than going from 150 to 170.

I eat as much as I can force myself to, and even then I have a hard time gaining weight (when training). I think most people really lifting heavy and consistently (and that's a big IF) need to eat alot more than you'd think. And it's easier to get cals from pizza than from chicken and broccoli.

And finally I don't know where this fear of getting "fat" is coming from. You'll easily notice if you are gaining way too much fat, and then you can just dial it down a tad.

[Sami]

Can someone seriously answer this question?

You can't seriously eat like that for and not get fat. Kinda. He did it for a specific reason, he couldn't gain weight. If you can gain weight eat less, then you don't really need to eat like that.

1) That's a story. Probably with a good element of truth to it, but it's also there to inspire. I'm not saying Tate didn't do that, I'm sure he did.

2)But he was grotesquely stronger than you and his work output was proportionally higher than what you could achieve. And the obvious drug use helps dramatically. This means that he will not get anywhere near as fat as you would if you tried it.

3)Tate says, "not that fat". Well, Tate's issues with fatness is well known, and his definition of fat might be different to yours.


But I love that story, I always cop&paste it to people that say they can't gain weight. It's a classic.

[drewcarroll2]

In case you haven't noticed, my last post was an answer to yours. Or you think that steroid use has nothing to do with eating like a polar bear after 6 months in hibernation and not getting fat?

@Carlos,
Ok, I thought you were making a general statement about Westside barbell and Louie Simmons. I didn't realize it was an answer to my question. So, thank you. I guess I am more concerned about doing something like that WITHOUT taking steroids.


Why don't you try it - or as close to it as you can stand. Obiously adding 20 lbs of BW when you are already 260 is alot different than going from 150 to 170.

I eat as much as I can force myself to, and even then I have a hard time gaining weight (when training). I think most people really lifting heavy and consistently (and that's a big IF) need to eat alot more than you'd think. And it's easier to get cals from pizza than from chicken and broccoli.

And finally I don't know where this fear of getting "fat" is coming from. You'll easily notice if you are gaining way too much fat, and then you can just dial it down a tad.

For me I fear gaining back the 50 pounds of gelatinous ooze that I finally fucking got rid of. I was 256 before and looked like shit, and I will never be happy being fat, but I do want to get bigger and stronger, so for me it is going to be a journey of brocolli and chicken and whole wheat pasta, i guess. When I get back to my real life away from this god forsaken desert then I will be able to figure out how I can eat while lifting like a mofo.

[Carlos Daniel]

@Carlos,
Ok, I thought you were making a general statement about Westside barbell and Louie Simmons. I didn't realize it was an answer to my question. So, thank you. I guess I am more concerned about doing something like that WITHOUT taking steroids.



Well, unless you are a really skinny bastard on SS, or a huge behemoth with 225+ pounds of lean body mass, I don't think it's possible without steroids.
I find it nice that guys like Louie Simmons and the likes are open about their steroid use. If you don't know that small detail, you end up with a skewed idea of what's normal or possible, such as thinking that eating like that wont make you into a huge tub o' lard (albeit a strong one, maybe).

[jacob cloud]

I see that fast food works wonders, but what about complete junk food with (apparently) no nutritional value? Stuff like popcorn, candy, cake, chocolate, etc.

1. Will this help me gain weight?
2. Will this aid my recovery?


Why would you do this?

It will teach you bad habits and is crap. Why not eat real foods? Eggs, meat, decent oils, starchy veggies, rice, etc. is a much better option.

Anyway, the answer is 1: Yes, 2: Not likely. You'll feel like a bloated mess and it will likely negatively impact training and recovery if anything.

[BCS]

Why would you do this?

It will teach you bad habits and is crap. Why not eat real foods? Eggs, meat, decent oils, starchy veggies, rice, etc. is a much better option.

Anyway, the answer is 1: Yes, 2: Not likely. You'll feel like a bloated mess and it will likely negatively impact training and recovery if anything.

Stop with all the logic.

Eat what you want. Get fat or die trying. ;)