The Scotch & Cigar Thread

[JStrong]

Welcome to the Scotch & Cigar Thread! To get you started, links on the topic are below, PM me with good links and I'll add them as time and whimsy permit.

Whisky 101 (http://www.maltadvocate.com/whisky_resources.asp)
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I'm sitting here with a sweet glass of 12-year Glen Moray and enjoying a Macanudo Maduro, a very mellow cigar and one of my favorites.

Seeing as I knock back a glass of scotch every day, and a cigar or two a week, I figured I could start a log and see if anyone else has some new evil pleasures to share.

Laphroaig, Romeo y Juliet, Macallan, Acid-- what's everyone having?

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Can't say as I'm a cigar man, but I loves me some scotch; I believe there are 9 bottles on top of the fridge right now. Right there with you on the Laphroaig, though! Never had the Glen Moray. How is it?

[mstrofbass]

Glenlivet Nadurra is by far my favorite scotch.

And I've always loved Hoyo de Monterrey Excalibur 1066s.

[tertius]

I've yet to find my favorite cigar.

So far I'm rather fond of Partagas Black cigars, and some the Arturo Fuente, preferably the maduros.

I'm a bourbon man, though.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

@ mstrofbass (is that "bass" like the instrument, or like the fish?) - got a bottle of Nadurra myself, and I rather like it. A lot going on in there! I really dig the 15 yo French Oak, which is a totally different animal, but superb.

@ tertius - I always switch over to bourbon come summertime. For whatever reason, scotch and I are inseparable in the cooler months, but when the heat hits, I want bourbon on ice. I don't snob out on it like the scotch though. I dig the good stuff, but haven't had very much of it, but am perfectly happy with a glass of Maker's. What are your faves there?

[JStrong]

Never had the Glen Moray. How is it?

My baseline single malt is probably the 12-year Glenlivet, and I'd say it's lighter and sweeter, more honey, less caramel. Here's (http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/drinks/glen-moray-12-year-old-malt-whisky/1116943/#rev) a review of it I liked.

I shy towards cigarillos just because I never have an hour to smoke, but I will try an Hoyo.

Mmmm....Arturo Fuente, I will buy one for the horse races at the fair this week.

[mstrofbass]

@ mstrofbass (is that "bass" like the instrument, or like the fish?) - got a bottle of Nadurra myself, and I rather like it. A lot going on in there! I really dig the 15 yo French Oak, which is a totally different animal, but superb.

Instrument, fish, low audio frequency...it doesn't matter because I am the master of none. Originally the instrument.

I'm too poor now to continue sampling the various types of scotches...but I really need to work it in somehow.

[Wayne Riddle]

Laphroaig, Romeo y Juliet, Macallan, Acid-- what's everyone having?

Cigars can vary but love MacAllan's, especially the 18 year old aged in sherry casks.

[hbriem]

Since I quit smoking nearly 10 years ago I don't touch cigars no more, but I do love scotch.

I don't usually have a collection going, usually just a bottle or two at a time. Scotch is expensive here.

At the moment I have a lovely 12 year old cask strength Glengoyne that I've only just started sipping. I also have a bottle each of Jack Daniels and Famous Grouse for government work.

My favourite single malts are probably various MacAllans, perhaps the MacAllan 30s? They make very nice ones. I also love the Balvenie Double Wood, an excellent economy class single malt. I prefer the less peaty ones, but even so, I have managed to enjoy the smoky ones more lately. Perhaps my palate is growing up.

[mstrofbass]

I also love the Balvenie Double Wood, an excellent economy class single malt.

This will be one of the next ones I try. I've heard from several people that this is one of the better "cheap" ones.

[tnumrych]

I've had a number of Scotch's in my life since a buddy of mine is a rabid fan. Some of them only available in Scotland, but I'm hazy on the names.

The only one that I have owned was given to me by a client as a present, and it was Glenrothes Select Reserve and I must say I enjoyed it quite a bit.

[Carlos Daniel]

Glenlivet Nadurra is by far my favorite scotch.



I got myself a bottle 3 days ago. Any thoughts on how to enjoy it?


This will be one of the next ones I try. I've heard from several people that this is one of the better "cheap" ones.

This is a wonderful single malt indeed, get yourself a bottle.

[tertius]

@ tertius - I always switch over to bourbon come summertime. For whatever reason, scotch and I are inseparable in the cooler months, but when the heat hits, I want bourbon on ice. I don't snob out on it like the scotch though. I dig the good stuff, but haven't had very much of it, but am perfectly happy with a glass of Maker's. What are your faves there?

Knob Creek is quite good. Like Basil Hayden's. Booker's is also good, but damn strong. Not a big fan of Maker's personally. I'm also found of some of the Irish... Jameson's (at most any age) and Bushmill's. Have a bottle of Bushmill's in the house now.

As well as this very odd whisky called "Wasamund's". It's a single malt, made in the US, and aged with fruit wood, instead of the sherry cask treatment. Never had anything like it.

You're not alone in the switching away from Scotch in warm weather thing, either. I do the same thing with pipe tobacco, and move more towards virginia dominant stuff, and away from strong English blends. I don't know if that means anything. But there's something about smoky flavors that seem not to go well with hot weather (BBQ aside).

[mstrofbass]

I got myself a bottle 3 days ago. Any thoughts on how to enjoy it?

I think it will depend on your individual preference. It's something like 120 proof, but for me goes down smoother than just about any other scotch. Others have a bit of trouble with it. I usually just drink it on the rocks with a few cubes of ice, and wait until the ice melts enough to make the scotch cloud up (one of the reasons most scotch is filtered, so that water doesn't make it cloud up, IIRC). But I've read a few different reviews that recommend different ways, so just experiment. To me one of the highlights is the creamy mouth-feel (I don't know if that's what it's really called...but it sounds pretty gay), so I would be afraid of watering it down too much.

I also don't have a very developed palate, so I may not be the best person to give advice.

[Carlos Daniel]

I think it will depend on your individual preference. It's something like 120 proof, but for me goes down smoother than just about any other scotch. Others have a bit of trouble with it. I usually just drink it on the rocks with a few cubes of ice, and wait until the ice melts enough to make the scotch cloud up (one of the reasons most scotch is filtered, so that water doesn't make it cloud up, IIRC). But I've read a few different reviews that recommend different ways, so just experiment. To me one of the highlights is the creamy mouth-feel (I don't know if that's what it's really called...but it sounds pretty gay), so I would be afraid of watering it down too much.

I also don't have a very developed palate, so I may not be the best person to give advice.

I love how Talisker clouds up when you add the water, it's a nice thing to see. I will try it straight and then with an ice cube.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

I got myself a bottle 3 days ago. Any thoughts on how to enjoy it?


It's cask strength, so you're probably going to want to add water to taste. I have been doing between 3 Nadurra:1 water and 2 Nadurra:1 water. Too little water, and I find the alcohol gives too much of a whallop (although some enthusiasts seem to be able to handle and enjoy very high ABV whisky); too much, and it thins out. Do a little experimenting, and try to be consistent with how much whisky you pour, and keep track of how much water you add; there is definitely a sweet spot where the flavor really balances out and opens up, and you wanna be able to replicate that.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Knob Creek is quite good. Like Basil Hayden's. Booker's is also good, but damn strong. Not a big fan of Maker's personally.

Interesting. I came across something a few months back that broke down a bunch of bourbons by their general recipe, which, given the standards for bourbon to be bourbon, has to do with what the majority of the grain content is after the corn requirement is met. I tend to go for the less spicy, more wheaty bourbons, and I think the ones you specify there are a bit more rye-heavy and spicy.

I will try to google for that bourbon chart, it was very helpful.

[tertius]

Interesting. I came across something a few months back that broke down a bunch of bourbons by their general recipe, which, given the standards for bourbon to be bourbon, has to do with what the majority of the grain content is after the corn requirement is met. I tend to go for the less spicy, more wheaty bourbons, and I think the ones you specify there are a bit more rye-heavy and spicy.

I will try to google for that bourbon chart, it was very helpful.

That sounds about right. I don't tend to like wheaty liquor, it just seems flatter to me. I quite liked the Wild Turkey 101 rye (green label, I think). I've wanted to try some of the more upscale rye whiskeys, but I rarely have $60 to drop on a bottle.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

That sounds about right. I don't tend to like wheaty liquor, it just seems flatter to me. I quite liked the Wild Turkey 101 rye (green label, I think). I've wanted to try some of the more upscale rye whiskeys, but I rarely have $60 to drop on a bottle.

Yeah, I think the "flatter" (which is a descriptor I can totally see in contrast to the rye spice factor) is interpreted by my palate as "smoother." I went to a restaurant with some friends a while back, and they had a ridiculous bourbon list, with a bunch of off-list stuff that the chef had that you could also order. Some spicier highlights that you would prolly enjoy were Eagle Rare (pricey) and AH Hirsch (pushing up on $300 for a bottle; we all split the cost of the $25 pour, which was, thankfully, generous), the latter being a defunct distillery, the majority of whose stocks were destroyed in a fire. Good shit, though. On the cheaper side, you might get along with Four Roses (ca. $19 a bottle).

[Wayne Riddle]

Eagle Rare is pretty darn good. I like Basil Haydn's too and good old Wild Turkey is a good bourbon that is easy on the wallet.

[JStrong]

Tonight it's the Macallan 12-year. Full bodied, complex--really delightful and not much of that alcohol bite you get with some of the more robust single malts.

Almost bought a Chivas 18-year, but $60 for a blended scotch? Anyone tried it?

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Tonight it's the Macallan 12-year. Full bodied, complex--really delightful and not much of that alcohol bite you get with some of the more robust single malts.

Almost bought a Chivas 18-year, but $60 for a blended scotch? Anyone tried it?

Ah, don't knock the blends, friend (hey, that rhymes--wait, that's why I said it). Johnny Walker Black is a very nicely balanced blend on the cheap, and their Gold Label is a smooth, supple joyride. More to the point, I do have the Chivas 18, and I think it's great (it's also only 40% ABV, so nice and mellow alcohol-wise). Smooth, balanced, just a hint of smoke...you may wanna try before you buy if blends are not your thing in general; I happened to find it at a restaurant, loved it, and went out and bought it. Reviewers seem to love it, too: http://www.whiskymag.com/whisky/brand/chivas_regal/whisky2200.html

[mstrofbass]

Ah, don't knock the blends, friend (hey, that rhymes--wait, that's why I said it). Johnny Walker Black is a very nicely balanced blend on the cheap, and their Gold Label is a smooth, supple joyride.

JW Black is my favorite "cheap" stuff. It's great.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

JW Black is my favorite "cheap" stuff. It's great.

Ditto.

I think it's common for people to assume that blends are somehow of lower quality than single malts. Learning more about the production of both sheds a lot of light on why this isn't so. It would probably surprise a lot of people how much blending is involved in the making of a single malt.

Oh, that reminds me, for y'all podcast listeners, and for bourbon and scotch fans alike, you should check out WhiskyCast ("the cask-strength podcast, featuring news and interviews from the world of whisky"). I've learned a ton from it, and it's well put together and features a lot of interesting guests.

[Matt Reynolds]

I'm just starting my scotch drinking and education. Been a beer snob for a long time and a cigar snob even longer.

Best Cigar on the planet is a Montecristo #2 torpedo, preferrably the cuban - though the legal one is excellent too. ;-)

[Ian Kovtunovich]

I'm just starting my scotch drinking and education.

What're you liking so far?

[sergeant_81]

Not a scotch drinker, but I do enjoy my bourbon - Knob Creek and Maker's when I'm feeling half classy, Jack and Jim when I'm feeling trailer park - with a Romeo y Julieta, my personal favorite. The whiskey absolutely has to be in a single or double old-fashioned glass, and I prefer mine on the rocks. I have a decanter monogrammed with my initials that I keep my bourbon-of-the-moment in.

When I want to change it up, I mix up an Old Fashioned - good bourbon, shaved and cubed ice, sugar, and lemon peel.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

I have a decanter monogrammed with my initials that I keep my bourbon-of-the-moment in.

When I want to change it up, I mix up an Old Fashioned - good bourbon, shaved and cubed ice, sugar, and lemon peel.

Nice - I'd love to get a decanter. Very old-school, boardroom sophisticated.

I'll have to give the Old Fashinoed a try; thanks for sharing the recipe. D'you muddle the lemon peel and sugar? Also, how much peel?

I'm a big fan of the Mint Julep come summertime; bourbon with muddled sugar and mint, with a little water to taste, for those not in the know. Derby style!

[ZKP]

I like the Punch Maduro's. When you get more expensive than that, diminishing returns get pretty great, Plus I dont have the most sophisticated palate...there are better cigars I'm sure, but these are good for the $ ...Got on a Chivas Regal kick for about a month once and quit there....Thats all I know about that..

[sergeant_81]

Nice - I'd love to get a decanter. Very old-school, boardroom sophisticated.

I'll have to give the Old Fashinoed a try; thanks for sharing the recipe. D'you muddle the lemon peel and sugar? Also, how much peel?

I'm a big fan of the Mint Julep come summertime; bourbon with muddled sugar and mint, with a little water to taste, for those not in the know. Derby style!

Everyone has a different idea of the Old Fashioned, and I don't think I've really found the "true" version yet, if one even exists. Here's a link:

http://wiki.webtender.com/wiki/Old_Fashioned_Recipes

The decanter was a gift. I never would have bought one for myself, but I've fallen in love with it over time. I drank plenty of Mint Juleps when I was living in the South - that's a fine drink if there ever was one :)

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Everyone has a different idea of the Old Fashioned, and I don't think I've really found the "true" version yet, if one even exists. Here's a link:

http://wiki.webtender.com/wiki/Old_Fashioned_Recipes

The decanter was a gift. I never would have bought one for myself, but I've fallen in love with it over time. I drank plenty of Mint Juleps when I was living in the South - that's a fine drink if there ever was one :)

Damn, that is quite the extensive list. I ran into something similar trying to find a recipe for a hot toddy, which there is no agreement on whatsoever. Have you tried them with bitters? It seems like it's very similar to a Manhattan, if I'm not mistaken; whiskey, sugar, bitters...not sure what else. Had one of those recently, and wasn't too excited.

[tertius]

Nice - I'd love to get a decanter. Very old-school, boardroom sophisticated.

I'll have to give the Old Fashinoed a try; thanks for sharing the recipe. D'you muddle the lemon peel and sugar? Also, how much peel?

I'm a big fan of the Mint Julep come summertime; bourbon with muddled sugar and mint, with a little water to taste, for those not in the know. Derby style!

Mint Juleps are fine indeed.
But you need to drink'em out of a silver cup to be a real southern gentleman. :D

I was planning on making some julep cups, but I sold my raising stake, so that's not likely to happen at this point... that and silver keeps going up. Can't afford to work with it for fun, these days.

I don't believe in mixing good whisk(e)y, though. A touch of water to open up the flavor, maybe, but that's about all that's allowed, as far as I'm concerned.

[tertius]

Just had some Johnnie Walker Black Label I picked up on a whim at Target (buying liquor at Target. that's weird, man), and a Punch Gran Puro. Mighty fine combination. It's an odd thing, how well tobacco and whisk(ey) compliment each other so well.

[Wayne Riddle]

I find the About Cocktail (http://cocktails.about.com/)s a good site for cocktail recipes as well as reviews.

[broseph]

I stock Glenlivet 12 year at home, drink JW Black at the bar, and like to try different single malts as an appetizer to a fancy dinner.

As far as smokes go, my standby is Arturo Fuente's Hemingway line. I like most of what CAO makes, especially the brazilia and italia.

Hate to be cliche, but I really do like Cohibas when out of country.

[JStrong]

Tonight's scotch is Ardmore. Peaty, clean, with a nice sweet finish, I really like this one, though I'm not sure it could stand up to a strong cigar, but I'll have a second glass with a Maduro later. Ardmore reminds me of Highland Park but with a little mellower vibe.

Whatcha drinking/smoking tonight?*

* whiskey/whisky and cigars, not Natty Ice and Marlboros

[mstrofbass]

My roommate needed to go to Spec's, so after cursing at him for a while since I knew what was going to happen, we went. And this is what I came home with:

Balvenie DoubleWood and....Glenlivet Nadurra Vintage (non-cask strength, but almost 20 years old).

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs209.ash2/47267_10100315217388700_7923081_64407749_7679664_n .jpg

[Bolla]

I know I am an asshole, but I just have to announce the following:

Me and some friends have managed to get leave from the wives and girlfriends and we are going to Islay next weekend :-)

There will be tours of the Ardbeg, Lagavullin, Bowmore and Laphroig destilleries and maybe some additional drinking as well. There is a jazz-festival going on this weekend, so I guess there will be some of that.

I am seriously concerned about the monday training session though.. I think perhaps it will be wiser to reschedule it to tuesday or wednesday.

[tertius]

I know I am an asshole, but I just have to announce the following:

Me and some friends have managed to get leave from the wives and girlfriends and we are going to Islay next weekend :-)

There will be tours of the Ardbeg, Lagavullin, Bowmore and Laphroig destilleries and maybe some additional drinking as well. There is a jazz-festival going on this weekend, so I guess there will be some of that.

I am seriously concerned about the monday training session though.. I think perhaps it will be wiser to reschedule it to tuesday or wednesday.

You ARE an asshole. But that's still awesome.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

I know I am an asshole, but I just have to announce the following:

Me and some friends have managed to get leave from the wives and girlfriends and we are going to Islay next weekend :-)

There will be tours of the Ardbeg, Lagavullin, Bowmore and Laphroig destilleries and maybe some additional drinking as well. There is a jazz-festival going on this weekend, so I guess there will be some of that.

I am seriously concerned about the monday training session though.. I think perhaps it will be wiser to reschedule it to tuesday or wednesday.

Aye, you're a wee bit of a bastard, laddie!

Give my regards to Laphroaig, and don't forget some string to secure your trousers against inquisitive stoats!

[tertius]

Aye, you're a wee bit of a bastard, laddie!

Give my regards to Laphroaig, and don't forget some string to secure your trousers against inquisitive stoats!

I need string to secure my trouser-weasel, but that's another matter altogether.

Tonight i'm smoking a Gran Habano "Triple" Corona (http://www.famous-smoke.com/gran+habano+triple+corona+cigars/item+31514). Damn fine smoke. Not playing well with ol' Johnnie Walker, though.

[51M0n]

http://wiki.webtender.com/wiki/Old_Fashioned_Recipes


Nice Link, I love a good Old Fashioned. I've been enjoying some Jamaican mules lately (Similar to a Moscow Mule but with Jamaican Rum instead of Vodka).

Was holidaying in the US recently and picked up a Cigar (first one ever) from mulberry cigars in NYC, not a bad way to celebrate the 4th of July, setting off fireworks and smoking a cigar.

It did piss me off seeing how cheap spirits are in the US, knowing that I could only bring back 2.25L into Australia (Our spirits are basically twice the price because of the stupid taxes we have on spirits.) Just another reason for me to visit again I suppose.

[JStrong]

Tonights selection- Romeo y Julieta and a glass (ok, three) of Glenmorangie.
The cigar is good but not extraordinary, the whiskey, divine.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Had a friend over last night, and we tasted through all but two of my scotches. We had Benromach 10, Chivas Regal 18, Aberlour A'bunadh, Glenlivet Nadurra, Glenlivet 18, and Laphroaig Quarter Cask. Unsampled were the Glenlivet 15 French Oak and the Caol Ila 12. It was fun to tour through them side by side and go from one flavor to the next. Good times.

[hbriem]

Had a friend over last night, and we tasted through all but two of my scotches. We had Benromach 10, Chivas Regal 18, Aberlour A'bunadh, Glenlivet Nadurra, Glenlivet 18, and Laphroaig Quarter Cask. Unsampled were the Glenlivet 15 French Oak and the Caol Ila 12. It was fun to tour through them side by side and go from one flavor to the next. Good times.

Bastard! :-)

I went through dutyfree a couple of times so my collection now has a cask strength Glengoyne 12, a Balvenie Doublewood 12 and a Nikka White Label. Good times ahead.

[JStrong]

Had a friend over last night, and we tasted through all but two of my scotches. We had Benromach 10, Chivas Regal 18, Aberlour A'bunadh, Glenlivet Nadurra, Glenlivet 18, and Laphroaig Quarter Cask. Unsampled were the Glenlivet 15 French Oak and the Caol Ila 12. It was fun to tour through them side by side and go from one flavor to the next. Good times.

How were the Aberlour and the Benromach?

[Ian Kovtunovich]

They're both great, and quite different. The Benromach is the best scotch I have ever had (granted I have not tried anything too old, exotic, or expensive); very complex yet very well balanced, running from your basic sweet, light Speyside, into a crazy herbal character, with a bit of smoke on the finish, it's a buffet in a glass. The Aberlour is pretty heavily sherried, it's thick, creamy, caramelly, round and smooth--it is cask strength, so I'm guessing you can fiddle with how much water you add and tweak the flavor a little.

The Benromach was a little hard to find; they didn't have it anywhere in Oregon, so I had to mail-order it, which I wound up doing from Royal Mile Whiskies in Scotland, but it was worth it.

[JStrong]

Tonight's Combo: Highland Park 12 yr, Partagas Purito.

If I could only drink one scotch for the rest of my life (and I had to pay for it myself) it would be Highland Park 12 yr. Peaty, sweet Sherry tones and a smoky finish. Abso-lutely perfect. Not boring like Chivas, not a punch to the tastebuds like Laphroaig. Buy a bottle, you'll either thank me or you have terrible taste!

The Purito started kind of bland and began tasting bitter about halfway down, totally unacceptable but it's been in a tin in the garage, not a humidor, so I'll take the blame myself--this time.

[Age_of_Aquarius]

Scoth and cigar to me = light beer and a blunt. The latter is more enjoyable.

[hbriem]

Of course. You're a child.

[tertius]

Of course it's a light beer.

Haven't had time for much Scotch, but smoked a Padron Delicias last night.
Very beany (they smell a bit like chocolate, out of the cello), strong nicotine punch to it, and a bit sour at the end, but otherwise quite tasty.

[JStrong]

AoA, pretty please, this is a dignified thread for grownups. There is also a beer thread. Perhaps, if you don't drink scotch or smoke cigars, you could just, y'know , READ this thread and learn something.

Maybe start with a bottle of crown, actually smoke the philly without hollowing it out, and then work your way up to some higher quality products--you'll be surprised what you find!

Ok, off to squat 305 for sets.

[Age_of_Aquarius]

AoA, pretty please, this is a dignified thread for grownups. There is also a beer thread. Perhaps, if you don't drink scotch or smoke cigars, you could just, y'know , READ this thread and learn something.

Maybe start with a bottle of crown, actually smoke the philly without hollowing it out, and then work your way up to some higher quality products--you'll be surprised what you find!

Ok, off to squat 305 for sets.

The whole bottle? lol.

And i've just never seen the appeal of cigars and cigarrettes. It you're gonna fuck up your lungs you might as well make it a little interesting.

Or is that for the classy look / sophistication it brings? I used to smoke lucky strike in school to look like a big shot, when everyone else had the economy class smokes.

Personally though I would rather spend that money used for expensieve scotch/smokes on some nice bling or a nice suit instead.

I do sometimes drink black label and diet coke, but that was only when I was out of grey goose.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

I do sometimes drink black label and diet coke

Blasphemy. I should have you killed.

[Carlos Daniel]

Scoth and cigar to me = light beer and a blunt. The latter is more enjoyable.

Will you shut the fuck up? Do you really have to bother everyone on every single thread?

[Greg C]

Ignoring the comments from the loony bin (that AoA, if you wondered)...

I truly appreciate this thread. Up until recently, I've been working hard to develop my taste in the finer dark rums (recent inclusions are Bacardi's Reserve Limited - good, but not great; Mount Gay's Extra Old - awesome and half the price). Lurking here has brought some renewed interest in Scotch and Bourbon, so I ran by the local base package store to see what they had last Friday and picked up a bottle of Glenlivet French Oak Reserve - now it isn't rum, but it is mighty nice and a pleasant change of pace. I will definitely be keeping a good bottle around for some variety, and will be trying some of the other suggestions (and some good bourbon too) very soon.

Thanks to all for the unsolicited advice.

[Wayne Riddle]

Just got a bottle of Maker's Mark "46",just waiting to for the right time to open it. Figure this weekend.

[JStrong]

On Macanudos and Men, Scotch & Strength
or, a Rambling Discourse on the Difference between Cost and Value

After failing to squat 305 for sets, I've been thinking about this thread today, and our brash friend AoA (though he is but one of many who have come before and almost certainly not the last). I too, was once a young fool, though never quite as....expressive. Though perhaps, through the gauze of memory, I remember myself more kindly than is warranted.

In any case, I closed a very nice business deal today, and rewarded myself with an Arturo Fuente Cubanito, a lovely, square shaped little cigarillo that was full of delicious flavor--and is beautiful to boot. All for a mere $2.25.

As I smoked it, I began pondering the youthful mistake of equating cost and appearance, with value and worth. For they are not the same thing at all.

"Bling," fancy clothes, 5% bodyfat, and puffy bodybuilder muscles are all of the same cloth-- they look nice, and can cost a lot, but they have no lasting value.

Arturo Fuente Cubanitos are wrapped in a tobacco leaf from Cameroon (Africa), which has been aged for ten years. This adds flavor, complexity, and a beauty no amount money can buy. There are no shortcuts, it simply takes time.

http://i55.tinypic.com/k3ug3k.jpg

I am also, as I write this, drinking a common Glenlivet. Aged for 12 years before it is finally bottled. The aging process cannot be faked, and must occur for worth to be imparted. Age adds a number of wonderful characteristics to cigars, scotch, and men. It imparts a mellowness, a subtlety, and a complexity. Not to belabor the metaphor, but strength training also contains these charming characteristics.

Value, true value, has no shortcuts, as it needs time. Which is why, as I get older, I appreciate scotch and cigars more. They are not flashy like a fruity vodka drink, or immediately appreciable like getting high from a fat blunt, they are simply imparted with worth, year by year.

So, while AoA (and a couple other of our more active forum members) are still a bit harsh, uncomplex, and indelicate, I look forward to their maturation in strength, and as men, smokers and drinkers.

Even a little $2.25 cigarillo needs 10 years before it's ready. My squat will take some time too.

[tertius]

Well stated, sir. Well stated indeed.

And I've never had a bad Fuente, for what it's worth.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Just got a bottle of Maker's Mark "46",just waiting to for the right time to open it. Figure this weekend.

Damn, I've been hankering to take some of that for a spin. I almost bought some for the bottle alone last time I was buying bourbon, but I wasn't sure exactly what they did with it, so I passed. I don't see how Maker's + more oaky goodness can go wrong. Anxiously awaiting the weekend and your tasting notes, WR!

[Dixen]

Recent great whisky experiences:

Pappy van Winkle 23 years - that shit was devine! Ive started to like good bourbons more than I used to like single malts.

George T. Stagg Barrel Proof - strong stuff, needed a little water. But very delicious.

Bruichladdich Octomore - apparently the most hevily peated single malt in the world! Only 5 years old. This shit is out of this world, extreme, but very interesting!

[tertius]

Recent great whisky experiences:

Pappy van Winkle 23 years - that shit was devine! Ive started to like good bourbons more than I used to like single malts.

George T. Stagg Barrel Proof - strong stuff, needed a little water. But very delicious.

Bruichladdich Octomore - apparently the most hevily peated single malt in the world! Only 5 years old. This shit is out of this world, extreme, but very interesting!

Oh, man, the Pappy!
I've been wanting to try that stuff, but just can't bring myself to spring for a bottle.

[Age_of_Aquarius]

There most definitely is a correlation between cost/appearance and economic value and worth.

Hey don't get me wrong, I know there are people who genuinely enjoy a cigar or scotch on the rocks, to them a good smoke or drink is worth much more than it's economic value (might have something to do with addiction to active ingredients but I don't know!).

And you're all probably amongst these people who do genuinely enjoy it regardless of its price! But I was merely pointing out that many people do it for the image that it creates (or rather that society has created).

It's like seeing someone who owns a Ferrari - they may genuinely enjoy driving a fast car. Where as you will get some who do it to reflect their financial/social status. I believe it works the same way with smokes / drinks and all other consumables valued by the rich.

Reminds me of a story though. Back when I was 18 I was given a small bottle of blue label by my uncle. Ended up drinking it with some lemonade for a prelash. He asked what I thought, and I said the lemonade really helped sweeten it up. He was pissed! Said I was too stupid to understand the beauty of a fine quality scotch.
I didn't get and still don't understand what he meant. Maybe one day I will, maybe whiskey just isn't my thing.....

Whatever the case, for now my drink of choice is a strong green dragon blended with plenty of fresh mangoes, Ice and water, I like to call the cocktail the 'golden bull'. It is a bit like a whiskey (kind of).

Cheers!

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Said I was too stupid to understand the beauty of a fine quality scotch.
I didn't get and still don't understand what he meant.

Apparently he was right then.

[Stagger Lee]

Recent great whisky experiences:

Pappy van Winkle 23 years - that shit was devine! Ive started to like good bourbons more than I used to like single malts.

George T. Stagg Barrel Proof - strong stuff, needed a little water. But very delicious.

Bruichladdich Octomore - apparently the most hevily peated single malt in the world! Only 5 years old. This shit is out of this world, extreme, but very interesting!

That Stagg bourbon is phenomenal. It's my favorite bourbon, because when I want bourbon, I want it lacquer thinner strong. Otherwise, why not just drink some rye? (Which I also love.)

Scotch is the admiral of whiskies, though. Recent delights have been the Aberlour A'bunadh, Dalmore "Cigar Malt," Glenmorangie "Quinta Ruban" (god damn), and polishing off the last of my Lagavulin "Distiller's Edition".

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Scotch is the admiral of whiskies, though. Recent delights have been the Aberlour A'bunadh, Dalmore "Cigar Malt," Glenmorangie "Quinta Ruban" (god damn), and polishing off the last of my Lagavulin "Distiller's Edition".

Those are some great picks, Stagger. Aside from the A'bunadh, I haven't had any of them specifically, but have enjoyed the standard 12yo Dalmore, and judging by what I've read, the Cigar Malt was supposed to be superb. The first scotch I ever had was Glenmorangie's Port Wood finish, which I believe was finished in tawny port pipes, and it was fantastic; I hear good things about the Quinta Ruban. And Lagavulin is a force to be reckoned with; I'm sure the Distiller's Ed. is a special dram indeed. Peaty goodness there!

[Wayne Riddle]

Any Irish whiskey drinkers here? I enjoy a bit of this from time to time.

[hbriem]

I often buy a bottle or a dram of Tullamore Dew for everyday drinking ;-) but I haven't tasted any of their finer stuff. Not available in my neck of the woods.

Glenmorangie Quinta Ruban is an absolutely wonderful whisky. A friend I was visiting last year had a bottle and we killed it in two evenings.

Lagavulin is a teeny bit too much smoke for my palate, but I'm beginning to enjoy the smoky ones more than I used to though. They grow on you.

[Wayne Riddle]

Tullamore Dew is pretty good, been trying to find a bottle of Red Breast to try out.

I sampled the Maker's Mark "46" last night, I like the caramel undertones, caught what struck me as clover ont the nose. Very nice bourbon, worth checkig out.

[broseph]

This may be a little late, but God, I hate AoA...

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Just keepin' the thread alive, 'cause it's important. We had our occasional Friday Whisky Walk at work (wherein a bunch of us walk to a bar up the street and have whisky, or whiskey, or whatever), and I ordered a Laphroaig 10YO Cask Strength. Gawd, I love that stuff! For starters, it was a very generous pour, which was compounded by the fact that it's cask strength, in this case 59.8% ABV. All the trademark Laphroaig flavors; smoke, iodine, ocean-y elements, plus a nice oaky sweetness in the background. We left about 10 minutes ago, and I've still got the finish hanging around. Splendid.

What's on your whisk(e)y agenda this weekend, friends?

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Any Irish whiskey drinkers here? I enjoy a bit of this from time to time.

I always enjoy Bushmill's; that has got to be one of the smoothest, easy-drinkingest-without-being-blah whiskies out there. I've sampled some of the older Bushmill's expressions, and a few of the Jamesons, but none of them really did it for me. I have heard good things about Tullamore Dew and Redbreast, but haven't tried them.

[Wayne Riddle]

What's on your whisk(e)y agenda this weekend, friends?

Just enjoyed another glass of 46.

[JStrong]

Bought a bottle of Highland Park 12, and lo and behold, it came with a sampler of the 18-year. Just had a daughter, that's a pretty damn good excuse. Stay tuned.

[mstrofbass]

Went to a place here in Houston called Beaver's. Well known for their cocktails, and had this:

BLOOD & SAND
Pig’s Nose Blended Scotch Whisky, Cherry Heering,
Sweet Vermouth, orange

It was quite wonderful.

[JStrong]

Went to a place here in Houston called Beaver's. Well known for their cocktails, and had this:

BLOOD & SAND
Pig’s Nose Blended Scotch Whisky, Cherry Heering,
Sweet Vermouth, orange

It was quite wonderful.


AoA would like that.

Seriously though, I can't take you seriously here, seriously. I believe that it was FANtastic, and contained scotch, but no. You may add ice or water or nothing- otherwise it's a cocktail.

Sorry to be a dick, but this is a fail.

[mstrofbass]

AoA would like that.

Seriously though, I can't take you seriously here, seriously. I believe that it was FANtastic, and contained scotch, but no. You may add ice or water or nothing- otherwise it's a cocktail.

Sorry to be a dick, but this is a fail.

There are actually a few Scotch cocktails that are considered acceptable.

[JStrong]

There are actually a few Scotch cocktails that are considered acceptable.
Not with vermouth and an orange, my friend . That said, despite my starting the thread I won't pretend to be an expert- what's an acceptable mixer? (though if you say Coke I will punch you.)

[mstrofbass]

Not with vermouth and an orange, my friend . That said, despite my starting the thread I won't pretend to be an expert- what's an acceptable mixer? (though if you say Coke I will punch you.)

There are a few places that do stuff like the above. The other one I can remember off the top of my head is a Rusty Nail, which is scotch, Drambuie, and lemon peel.

Now don't forget, we're not using good scotch for this. Pig's Nose is blended and aged five years. I don't think anyone would be uncouth enough to use something like my 19 y/o Glenlivet I posted a picture of.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Bought a bottle of Highland Park 12, and lo and behold, it came with a sampler of the 18-year. Just had a daughter, that's a pretty damn good excuse. Stay tuned.

Ah, do tell when you get into that. Congrats on your offspring, by the way--my daughter gives me lots of excuses to enjoy scotch!

Speaking of samplers along for the ride, I ordered whisky from Royal Mile Whiskies in Scotland last year, and I get an e-mail from them occasionally. I was just clicking through their store online, and noticed they have many bottles that come with a sample sidekick, and some pretty good-quality samplers at that. For those that geek out enough (or have a so-so selection locally), RMW is a great place to shop for the goods. Takes a little while for your bottle to sail over, but it's worth it!

[Ian Kovtunovich]

From the excellent "What Does John Know?" blog, an announcement of upcoming whisky and whiskey releases in the US:

Lagavulin 12
Cragganmore 21
Talisker 30
Glen Spey 21
Auchroisk 20
Glenkinchie 20
Old Pulteney 30 yr. old (cask strength, coming early 2011)

anCnoc 12 & 16 (started getting into distribution just a little while ago)

Compass Box Flaming Heart (10th Anniversary Edition)

A.D. Rattray whiskies

The Black Grouse

The Glenrothes John Ramsay Legend bottling.

Deanston Virginia Oak

Amrut Intermediate Sherry

GlenDronach and BenRiach single casks (one of each)

A new line of higher-strength Chieftain’s whisky

Angel’s Envy Bourbon

WhistlePig High Rye Bourbon (40% rye!)

Buffalo Trace Antique Collection (I ust got my review samples. Some are better than last year, some aren’t. Still, they are high quality whiskies. Stay tuned.)

A line of Glenglassaugh whiskies (some older expressions too!)

Must say the prospect of a younger (and hopefully more affordable) Lagavulin expression is very appealing. The Cragganmore 21 will probably be unfuckingreal, although it will probably also be unfuckingaffordable, too. Interested also in the Black Grouse, which is some variation on Famous Grouse; I forget if it's older or more smoky or what. Looks like a couple tasty American offerings in the offing as well, for you bourbonoids. Cold weather is coming--whisky weather!

[tertius]

From the excellent "What Does John Know?" blog, an announcement of upcoming whisky and whiskey releases in the US:

Lagavulin 12
Cragganmore 21
Talisker 30
Glen Spey 21
Auchroisk 20
Glenkinchie 20
Old Pulteney 30 yr. old (cask strength, coming early 2011)

anCnoc 12 & 16 (started getting into distribution just a little while ago)

Compass Box Flaming Heart (10th Anniversary Edition)

A.D. Rattray whiskies

The Black Grouse

The Glenrothes John Ramsay Legend bottling.

Deanston Virginia Oak

Amrut Intermediate Sherry

GlenDronach and BenRiach single casks (one of each)

A new line of higher-strength Chieftain’s whisky

Angel’s Envy Bourbon

WhistlePig High Rye Bourbon (40% rye!)

Buffalo Trace Antique Collection (I ust got my review samples. Some are better than last year, some aren’t. Still, they are high quality whiskies. Stay tuned.)

A line of Glenglassaugh whiskies (some older expressions too!)

Must say the prospect of a younger (and hopefully more affordable) Lagavulin expression is very appealing. The Cragganmore 21 will probably be unfuckingreal, although it will probably also be unfuckingaffordable, too. Interested also in the Black Grouse, which is some variation on Famous Grouse; I forget if it's older or more smoky or what. Looks like a couple tasty American offerings in the offing as well, for you bourbonoids. Cold weather is coming--whisky weather!

That WhistlePig raised my eyebrows, certainly... I'll have to keep my eyes peeled for it.

[Wayne Riddle]

I'm looking to try and score a bottle of Compass Box. Won't be easy in Maine.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

I'm looking to try and score a bottle of Compass Box. Won't be easy in Maine.

I've been hankering to try some of that; it is damn hard to find. Must let us know when and if you find some. All I hear about their whiskies is good stuff.

[JStrong]

So I finally got around to drinking that Highland Park 18. It was good. More alcohol, richer texture, and just tasted more like the barrel--which I mean as a compliment.

Very enjoyable, but as a sampler it backfired, because while good, it wasn't $100 bottle good, at least not in my tax bracket.

I did accidentally buy 8 bottles of scotch and a bottle of bourbon today at Costco. As soon as my wife goes to bed I'll bring them in from my car.

[Squatson]

Where my pipe smokers at?

I've got a rotation of about 20 briars, 6 cobs and a couple of meerschaums. I'm pretty much an English blend guy, I will fuck around with some Virginias from time to time.

Top 5 blends ( in no particular order )

Penzance
Presbyterian
Squad Leader
Frog Morton
Westminster

I've got a few nice handmade pipes, but most of them are Petersons and Savinelli's. Prized pipe is a 1984 Ismet Beckler handcarved Meerschaum, a figural relief of some rich looking English dude with a wig.

[tertius]

Where my pipe smokers at?

I've got a rotation of about 20 briars, 6 cobs and a couple of meerschaums. I'm pretty much an English blend guy, I will fuck around with some Virginias from time to time.

Top 5 blends ( in no particular order )

Penzance
Presbyterian
Squad Leader
Frog Morton
Westminster

I've got a few nice handmade pipes, but most of them are Petersons and Savinelli's. Prized pipe is a 1984 Ismet Beckler handcarved Meerschaum, a figural relief of some rich looking English dude with a wig.

Hey there! I smoke a pipe from time to time too.
I've got a five or six no-name briars and a couple nice, but plain meerschaums.
I'm too much of a broke-ass to be dropping money on Petersons and the like.

I'm also an English smoker in cooler weather.
In the summer I tend to switch it up to cigars or virginias.

I'm quite fond of:
Hal o' the Wynd,
Accountant's Blend
MacBaren's Scottish Mixture
Pirate Kake
and some blends by local the tobacconist, which are quite good after they've been cellared a six months or so.

I'd really like to try some of the G.L. Pease blends, but I'm trying to control my tobacco hoarding tendencies.

Unfortunately, I'm busy enough that I hardly have any pipe time. I'm not a clencher, so I can't really do anything
other than watch teevee/movies, read, stroll about or sit staring idly into space while smoking.
Kind of a drag, as pipe smoking is the best of all tobacco experiences.
Cigars are good, but can't compare to quality pipe tobacco for flavor.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

So I finally got around to drinking that Highland Park 18. It was good. More alcohol, richer texture, and just tasted more like the barrel--which I mean as a compliment.

Very enjoyable, but as a sampler it backfired, because while good, it wasn't $100 bottle good, at least not in my tax bracket.

I did accidentally buy 8 bottles of scotch and a bottle of bourbon today at Costco. As soon as my wife goes to bed I'll bring them in from my car.

Is that what that movie "Happy Accidents" was about? Ha ha -- nicely done in the liquor aisle, JS. I wish Oregon was so civilized as to have liquor available at Costco (or anywhere besides a liquor store--fucking puritans).

That is a bit pricey for the HP18YO. I have had the Glenfiddich and Glenlivet 18s, and both are quite tasty (I hear you on "more like the barrel"--lot of wood getting concentrated in there) and I think around $70. I just had Highland Park 12 last week for the first time in a year or so; it's one of those whiskies I feel like I should like, but never like it as much as I think I will, so I try it every once in awhile in case my tastes have changed or whatever. I liked it more this time; smoother and sweeter than I remember, in very good ways. Might have to cozy up to a bottle as this cold weather sets in.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

[tobacco enjoyment verbiage]

Even though I don't smoke and can't stand the stuff, it's nice to rub elbows with other enthusiasts. I think this is my favorite thread on this forum, and I hope it lives a long and useful life.

[Wayne Riddle]

Is that what that movie "Happy Accidents" was about? Ha ha -- nicely done in the liquor aisle, JS. I wish Oregon was so civilized as to have liquor available at Costco (or anywhere besides a liquor store--fucking puritans).

I'm from Washington but now live in Maine. Maine used to have liquor stores, maybe one in your area if you were lucky. Plus side was they carried a wide variety of alcohol. That hard to find brand of bourbon? Good chance they would have it or would order it for you. Once the state got out of the business and allowed the local stores to be agency liquor stoes they tended to focus on the products that move. Jack Daniels or Jim Beam is no problem finding but looking for a bottle of Compass Box? Good luck.

I have found one store, actually a little mini-mart place, that will get some of the better stuff. This was the only place that had Maker's mark "46" as well as a decent assortment of scotch. I might have to speak with the owner and see if they will get in some Compass Box...

[Squatson]

Pirate Kake is fucking intense...I've actually got an unopened tin from July 08, waiting for the right moment. I've got a lot of stuff from 08...I think I might have a sealed 08 Christmas Cheer, which if you haven't had it, you must before you die.

If you haven't already, you must check out http://www.tobaccoreviews.com/
Lots of reviews of pretty much every tobacco ever made.

Also www.smokingpipes.com
Is where I get most of my estate pipes. I also like to drool over the $5,000 Japanese masterpieces that I will never be able to afford. You can get some pretty nice stuff for cheap at that site...every Thursday they update the estate collection.

Since you lift weights, you must get yourself a super huge pipe...I have a Savinelli EXL Bruyere that you can pack a whole tin of tobacco in. It looks smaller and smaller as I get bigger and bigger.

And everyone must see the Pipe Smoking Chap
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XigCvFf8AN4)

[Ian Kovtunovich]

I see your Pipe Smoking Chap, and I raise you a Johnnie Walker:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnSIp76CvUI

[tertius]

Pirate Kake is fucking intense...I've actually got an unopened tin from July 08, waiting for the right moment. I've got a lot of stuff from 08...I think I might have a sealed 08 Christmas Cheer, which if you haven't had it, you must before you die.

If you haven't already, you must check out http://www.tobaccoreviews.com/
Lots of reviews of pretty much every tobacco ever made.

Also www.smokingpipes.com
Is where I get most of my estate pipes. I also like to drool over the $5,000 Japanese masterpieces that I will never be able to afford. You can get some pretty nice stuff for cheap at that site...every Thursday they update the estate collection.

Since you lift weights, you must get yourself a super huge pipe...I have a Savinelli EXL Bruyere that you can pack a whole tin of tobacco in. It looks smaller and smaller as I get bigger and bigger.

And everyone must see the Pipe Smoking Chap
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XigCvFf8AN4)


I see your Pipe Smoking Chap, and I raise you a Johnnie Walker:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnSIp76CvUI

That is quite a large pipe. I'd kind of like to have a big calabash, meself.
Thankee for the sites, though I'm already quite familiar with them.

Yeah, the Kake is pretty intense. I was a bit of a fiend for the latakia early on, but my tastes for it have moderated a bit.
I'll have to see if I can track down a tin of Christmas cheer, as that's a fairly strong recommendation.

Ian-
"Eh Piper! Shut it."

That's a fine little film. All one shot, too! I wonder how long it took to film.
What's with the subtitles, though? His accent is quite light.

I shall have to have a glass tonight, while I'm grading.
And this is quite a good thread. It's even survived AoA posting in it.

[JStrong]

We never got to hear about Bolla's trip to Islay. Maybe he decided to stay there.

Also, I hope I didn't run MstrofBass off the thread, we need all the enthusiasts we can get.

So, I'm off to Vegas with the wife's blessing in January, and as I have a baccarat habit (to go with my scotch and cigar habit) I get to sample the top shelf. Anyone have any experience with what the MGM properties have available that I should try on their dime?
--

Also, somebody needs to get us sticky status for this thread!!

For those who need a little refresher/introduction to Whiskey, I've added a link (http://www.maltadvocate.com/whisky_resources.asp) here, and also on the very first post in the thread, to a "Whisky 101" page. If other links should be added to that first post, PM me and I'll put them up if they're worthy (the bar will be set fairly low--shopping, reviews, etc.)

[mstrofbass]

Also, I hope I didn't run MstrofBass off the thread, we need all the enthusiasts we can get.


It's impossible to run me off...this thread has given me a list of about 30 different scotches I need to try, and I can't afford a single one right now. :(

Also, will accept donations of scotch.

[tertius]

What's folks favorite way of clipping a cigar?

Generally speaking, I just stand it on the table inside my cheap-ass double-bladed cutter, and cut the cap off.
But, I got a butane jet lighter, and it has a punch in the bottom, which I tried the other day, and found I liked that a bit better.
Slightly tighter draw, but more flavor from the wrapper (I tend not to Hannibal a cigar).

Never used a V-cutter. Opinions?

[MikeC1]

in a pinch, take a knife, and a cutting board

[Squatson]

It depends on the shape of the cigar...I have a Xikar cutter that my old man got me for Christmas. Can't beat that with a bat.

[tertius]

It depends on the shape of the cigar...I have a Xikar cutter that my old man got me for Christmas. Can't beat that with a bat.

True! I should have been more specific.
I don't tend to smoke torpedoes or pyramidos, generally. Mostly coronas or robustos.

[bie]

As a young man of 22 I have only recently tasted the delights of a good single malt but I must say so far Dalwhinnie 15 is my favourite by far!

Also tried Talisker 10 and enjoyed that very much.

Laphroaig 10 for me was like sipping an ashtray..

Glenkinchie 10 was pleasant enough.

[Stagger Lee]

Glenmorangie Nectar d'Or: extraordinary. Flavors I have never found before. Amazing.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Glenmorangie Nectar d'Or: extraordinary. Flavors I have never found before. Amazing.

Mmmm, +1 for that stuff. There was something about it that reminded me of really good homemade cake batter, in the best possible way, without being cloying or syrupy. Faint echo of something citrusy. Almost creamy mouthfeel. Yeah, that stuff was great. First scotch I ever had was their Portwood Finish a couple years ago; I'm keen on trying the Quinta Ruban now, which is also s'posed to be delish.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

As a young man of 22 I have only recently tasted the delights of a good single malt but I must say so far Dalwhinnie 15 is my favourite by far!

Also tried Talisker 10 and enjoyed that very much.

Laphroaig 10 for me was like sipping an ashtray..

Glenkinchie 10 was pleasant enough.

Off to a good start. I wish I had discovered scotch at 22, although having discovered it at more like 32, I could afford more of it (although still not as much as I'd like. Hmm...). I remember the first time I had Laphroaig, I wasn't quite sure what to make of it, but I knew it blew my mind, and later I decided I wanted more, and now I love it. If you like the Talisker, you must at least enjoy the smoke, if not the medicinal/seaweedy flavors of other Islay malts; you might sample Laphroaig Quarter Cask if you get a chance--they finish the aging in smaller barrels, which impart more oak flavor, so it's a creamier, sweeter Laphroaig. I recall Talisker having some sweetness as well, although it's been awhile since I had any.

Given your enjoyment of Dalwhinnie and Glenkinchie, both fairly light, you'd probably enjoy Glenmorangie of any stripe, Glenlivet, Glenfiddich, perhaps Balvenie.

[tertius]

Mmmm, +1 for that stuff. There was something about it that reminded me of really good homemade cake batter, in the best possible way, without being cloying or syrupy. Faint echo of something citrusy. Almost creamy mouthfeel. Yeah, that stuff was great. First scotch I ever had was their Portwood Finish a couple years ago; I'm keen on trying the Quinta Ruban now, which is also s'posed to be delish.

Okay, this has piqued my interest. I'll have to see if a bottle can be found in my neighborhood for a reasonable fee.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Okay, this has piqued my interest. I'll have to see if a bottle can be found in my neighborhood for a reasonable fee.

's about $60, methinks. And I forgot, pretty dry finish.

[mstrofbass]

Mmmm, +1 for that stuff. There was something about it that reminded me of really good homemade cake batter, in the best possible way, without being cloying or syrupy. Faint echo of something citrusy. Almost creamy mouthfeel.

Sounds somewhat similar to the Glenlivet Nadurra.

[Kid]

For any of my Aussie brethren, I strongly recommend: http://www.theoddwhiskycoy.com.au/

Good prices, quick delivery, and the guy who runs it is a proper gentleman.

[Carlos Daniel]

Sounds somewhat similar to the Glenlivet Nadurra.

I've never had Nectar d'or before, but I've had some Sauternes wine (Nectar d'or is aged in Sauternes barrels). If it's anything like Sauternes, it's quite different than the Nadurra.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Sounds somewhat similar to the Glenlivet Nadurra.

Probably a result of my amateur-hour description than anything else. Whereas the Nectar d'Or was more smooth/sweet/creamy, I find the Nadurra more spicy (like ginger, weirdly enough), although they might cross over a bit on the finish.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

For any of my Aussie brethren, I strongly recommend: http://www.theoddwhiskycoy.com.au/

Good prices, quick delivery, and the guy who runs it is a proper gentleman.

Ooh, have you had any of Lark's whisky? I read the occasional tidbit about them, but I don't think they have it here in the states.

[mstrofbass]

Probably a result of my amateur-hour description than anything else. Whereas the Nectar d'Or was more smooth/sweet/creamy, I find the Nadurra more spicy (like ginger, weirdly enough), although they might cross over a bit on the finish.

The mouth-feel is more what I drew that from. I also got a hint of buttermilk flavor from the Nadurra to go with the creamy mouth-feel. (Goddammit, someone go ahead and make the joke...again.)

[Ian Kovtunovich]

The mouth-feel is more what I drew that from. I also got a hint of buttermilk flavor from the Nadurra to go with the creamy mouth-feel. (Goddammit, someone go ahead and make the joke...again.)

There's no puerile humor allowed in The Scotch & Cigar Thread. This is fucking serious business!

[JStrong]

Celebrating the Giants victory. Macallan, neat. Sweet sherry tones, hot, vanilla nose, creamy finish. A classic. Good sweeter scotch. Makes me want to try Sherry!

[hbriem]

The MacAllan makes a lot of great whiskies, but which one was this?

I love sherried whisky, but sherry ... meh. Port, now there's a drink.

[JStrong]

The MacAllan makes a lot of great whiskies, but which one was this?

I love sherried whisky, but sherry ... meh. Port, now there's a drink.

It was the 12 yr.

Yes, I love port too, In fact, I drank port long before I was manly enough for scotch.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

It was the 12 yr.

Yes, I love port too, In fact, I drank port long before I was manly enough for scotch.

Ditto, hence my entree into scotch via a portwood finished whisky. I've got a bottle of port in the basement; I oughta drag that out. Nice in the fall.

[Wayne Riddle]

It was the 12 yr.

Try the 18 year old, great stuff.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Try the 18 year old, great stuff.

The Fine Oak is great, too. I was lucky enough to try the older of the Fine Oak expressions (I think it's 20YO?), and it was great. The Fine Oak 10YO scares me a little, as it's way cheaper than the rest of Macallan's offerings, and it makes me think it might suck. Anyone crossed paths with that little beastie?

[hbriem]

Even a "bad" MacAllan is pretty good, IMO. It will never "suck" even though it may pale beside its older siblings.

[Kid]

Ooh, have you had any of Lark's whisky? I read the occasional tidbit about them, but I don't think they have it here in the states.

Yeah, I got a bottle of the LD57 Cask Strength a couple of months back. Absolutely brilliant, but upstaged by another bottle that I bought at the same time: Bakery Hill Peated Cask Strength.

I would have made that bottle of whisky my wife, were it possible.

[tertius]

Arturo Fuente Corona and a little Johnnie tonight while watching the News Hour.
Make a man feel civilized. Almost makes me think I need to buy some other Scotches...

[JStrong]

From the Isle of Islay, tonight I have splurged on a bottle of Lagavulin 16 yr.
http://www.google.com/search?q=lagavulin&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=WDF&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=ivs&source=univ&tbs=shop:1&tbo=u&ei=g8bUTJ3iMYL4swO92NWNCw&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=image&resnum=3&ved=0CDQQzAMwAg
Wife quote, "How much was that?,"
Me "It's my money,"
Her "It's OUR money, how much?"
Me "About 60 bucks."
Her "60 dollars?!?"

Actually, $67 darling. And I'll bring the 15 yr Macallan and the 12yr, 15yr and 18yr 3-pack of Glenlivet in when you're sleeping. And the Oban.

This is what Laphroaig should taste like, way more Highland Park than large chunks of scottish moor in a glass. Rich and balanced with a sweet, long finish. This stuff really has a good amount of oak, not overpowering 'wood,' and not just liquor. so far, very very good. Neat--ice seems redundant with the Islays for some reason.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

From the Isle of Islay, tonight I have splurged on a bottle of Lagavulin 16 yr.

Wife quote, "How much was that?,"
Me "It's my money,"
Her "It's OUR money, how much?"
Me "About 60 bucks."
Her "60 dollars?!?"

Actually, $67 darling. And I'll bring the 15 yr Macallan and the 12yr, 15yr and 18yr 3-pack of Glenlivet in when you're sleeping. And the Oban.

This is what Laphroaig should taste like, way more Highland Park than large chunks of scottish moor in a glass. Rich and balanced with a sweet, long finish. This stuff really has a good amount of oak, not overpowering 'wood,' and not just liquor. so far, very very good. Neat--ice seems redundant with the Islays for some reason.

HA! Well played. Enjoy that Glenlivet 18; it's fab. And the Oban. I rather like Lagavulin, but I find it very intense, and not something I imagine I would drink often, so it's hard to pony up for it. I'm anxiously awaiting the release of the younger Lagavulin, not only so I can afford it, but I imagine a little less aging might yield a more nimble dram. Time'll tell. Blasphemy for suggesting that that's what Laphroaig should taste like though; good GAWD, Laphroaig tastes just how it should, lad! And if it DID taste like Lagavulin, what would we need Lagavulin for? A place for everything, and etc.

I was out with a friend and some other folks I didn't know this even', and I tried Glendronach 12 for the first time. This is a whisky I have read and heard so many good things about, and good heavens, it was fantastic. Sherried, but I didn't feel too whalloped by it; just a warm, smooth caramelly core. Not the most complex dram I've sipped, but what was on offer was superbly executed. Recommended. I also decided to splurge on a glass of Glenlivet 21 'Archive', because I had either tried or wasn't interested in most of the other stuff on their list, and wanted something new; I also have had all the Glenlivets younger than that. I don't do much nosing, as all I usually pick up is a snoot full of alcohol, but I stuck my beak in this one, and it smelled like the Glendronach tasted, all caramelly, and vanilla oakiness. Flavor was very concentrated, and the alcohol was much more intense than I was expecting; I don't know what strength it's bottled at, but after 21 years of aging, the alcohol can't be very high. It was actually fairly challenging. I felt like I should add water to open it up and take the edge off the alcohol, but for some stupid reason I kept thinking that it couldn't be that high a percentage ABV, and it probably didn't "need" water. Duh. If you want water, add water. So I don't really think I got my money's worth at all. What I did pick up was a flavor very similar to the 18YO, but more concentrated. I have read this about older whiskies before, that the intensity of the flavors is not what people might expect. Probably won't be spending $28 on a dram again anytime soon, but I don't regret it (much).

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Almost makes me think I need to buy some other Scotches...

Worse things could happen to a man, I assure you.

[tertius]

Worse things could happen to a man, I assure you.

It's true.
The problem is figuring out what the hell to buy.
The Glenlivet seems like a safe place to start.
I'd quite like to try an Islay, I think. And, of course, my budget is limited.
But I'm open to suggestions.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Glenlivet 12 is a great place to start. Justifiably ubiquitous. Glenfiddich 12 is also a good bet for around the same price or maybe a little less, in the same, light 'n' smooth vein. For a more complex dram still based in this light 'n' smooth flavor zone, but with a nice undercurrent of smoke keeping things interesting on the finish, I cannot recommend Cragganmore highly enough. Huge favorite. If you want to swim out to Islay on a budget, you cannot go wrong with Laphroaig 10. Laphroaig is an experience. Yo quiero mucho. I dunno what Johnnie you're drinking, but the Black Label is great stuff too, also justifiably ubiquitous. Snobs might turn up their nose because it's "just a blend" or too common or whatever, but anyone thinking with their palate rather than their ego will tell you it's fab. And also cheap. Worth looking out for would be the upcoming Double Black, which apparently has more Islay malts in it for a smokier experience (maybe not coming until 2011, tho).

That's a good selection of $30-$50 whiskies that should get you started walking on the right foot.

[JStrong]

Glenlivet 12 is a great place to start.

I totally agree. Really good single malt, sets a nice baseline for your palate, always worth coming back to and it's never a bad scotch--anyone who turns their nose up at Glenlivet 12 is just putting on airs. $22 at Costco in California, maybe $35 at your local puritan liquor store.

Islay (pronounced EYE-lah, btw) is pretty intense, I'd personally work through the other scotch regions before wandering to the Isle--there's smoke and earth in that Island laddie!
--
Oh, I also had a Cuban Cohiba last night--very nice flavor, but it did not burn evenly, I had a couple severs runs and two different hot spots, which was very discouraging. Tasted great but a hot pull and a runny cigar just ruin it. Like eating filet in a dumpster.

[tertius]

Glenlivet 12 is a great place to start. Justifiably ubiquitous. Glenfiddich 12 is also a good bet for around the same price or maybe a little less, in the same, light 'n' smooth vein. For a more complex dram still based in this light 'n' smooth flavor zone, but with a nice undercurrent of smoke keeping things interesting on the finish, I cannot recommend Cragganmore highly enough. Huge favorite. If you want to swim out to Islay on a budget, you cannot go wrong with Laphroaig 10. Laphroaig is an experience. Yo quiero mucho. I dunno what Johnnie you're drinking, but the Black Label is great stuff too, also justifiably ubiquitous. Snobs might turn up their nose because it's "just a blend" or too common or whatever, but anyone thinking with their palate rather than their ego will tell you it's fab. And also cheap. Worth looking out for would be the upcoming Double Black, which apparently has more Islay malts in it for a smokier experience (maybe not coming until 2011, tho).

That's a good selection of $30-$50 whiskies that should get you started walking on the right foot.


I totally agree. Really good single malt, sets a nice baseline for your palate, always worth coming back to and it's never a bad scotch--anyone who turns their nose up at Glenlivet 12 is just putting on airs. $22 at Costco in California, maybe $35 at your local puritan liquor store.

Islay (pronounced EYE-lah, btw) is pretty intense, I'd personally work through the other scotch regions before wandering to the Isle--there's smoke and earth in that Island laddie!
--
Oh, I also had a Cuban Cohiba last night--very nice flavor, but it did not burn evenly, I had a couple severs runs and two different hot spots, which was very discouraging. Tasted great but a hot pull and a runny cigar just ruin it. Like eating filet in a dumpster.

Thanks fellas.
I do not posses what you might call a 'subtle' palate, for the most part. I tend to like things that are fairly bold and spicy (rye!) and also I'm quite fond of the smoke (English blends in the pipe)... and it is indeed the Black Label, btw.

Be hitting the liquor store later today.

[51M0n]

Wife quote, "How much was that?,"
Me "It's my money,"
Her "It's OUR money, how much?"
Me "About 60 bucks."
Her "60 dollars?!?"

Actually, $67 darling. And I'll bring the 15 yr Macallan and the 12yr, 15yr and 18yr 3-pack of Glenlivet in when you're sleeping. And the Oban.


Damm you Americans and your cheap liquor. A bottle of that would sets me back at least $110 AUD.

[tertius]

Damm you Americans and your cheap liquor. A bottle of that would sets me back at least $110 AUD.

That's what you get for living on the lonely continent at the ass-end of the world.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Damm you Americans and your cheap liquor. A bottle of that would sets me back at least $110 AUD.

Yes, but wallabies are probably very cheap for you. I want a wallaby, but they are like $1,000 USD. It's criminal!

Wait, I've got it! I'll buy up $500 USD worth of scotch and send it to you, and you send me a wallaby (female; the males are supposedly a pain in the ass). Everyone wins.

[51M0n]

That's what you get for living on the lonely continent at the ass-end of the world.

Nah, it's not the distance that adds the cost, its the 93% tax on spirits we pay. I think that if America can have a second tea party, it's about bloody time that we had a second Rum Rebellion.


Yes, but wallabies are probably very cheap for you. I want a wallaby, but they are like $1,000 USD. It's criminal!

Wait, I've got it! I'll buy up $500 USD worth of scotch and send it to you, and you send me a wallaby (female; the males are supposedly a pain in the ass). Everyone wins.

Don't have any wallabies, I supose I could give you one of the Kangaroos that I use to ride to work on. Or I'd trade you a possum for a squirrel or chipmunk.

[mstrofbass]

Or I'd trade you a possum

You know how I know you've never actually seen a possum in person?

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Don't have any wallabies, I supose I could give you one of the Kangaroos that I use to ride to work on. Or I'd trade you a possum for a squirrel or chipmunk.

Whaddayoumean, you don't have any wallabies? Surely there must be one somewhere. I don't have space for a kangaroo, and I'm sure I don't want one with a bunch of city-driving kilometers on it. And we have possums here already. I'm sorry mate, but if you can't find me a wallaby, I can't send you any scotch. Crikey!

[hbriem]

I was in Amsterdam for the weekend so I managed to get my hands on a litre of Bushmill's 10 year old single malt, my first Irish single. I also bought smaller bottles of Glenfarclas 10yo and Glengoyne Burnfoot.

I also managed to taste many different whiskies that I hadn't tasted before, including Dalwhinnie 15 yo, MacAllan 18 yo, Craggawullin 16 yo, Johnny Walker Black Label, Gentleman's Jack and probably more that are lost in the alcoholic haze.

[51M0n]

You know how I know you've never actually seen a possum in person?


And we have possums here already.

Lol, you don't have possums, you have large rats that have been beaten with the ugly stick.
This is a possum
http://www.wildlifewa.com/tracks/brushtail_possum_blackwood_river_feb_22.JPG

And i've managed to derail this thread, will have to buy some scotch as penance.

[mstrofbass]

Lol, you don't have possums, you have large rats that have been beaten with the ugly stick.
This is a possum

And i've managed to derail this thread, will have to buy some scotch as penance.

Oh yes, I misread your post. I thought you were wanting to have one of our "possums" (opossum). I knew Aussies were a bit nuts, but didn't think anyone would want one of those.

But if you can't get him a wallaby...can you get me a wombat?

[Kid]

Yes, but wallabies are probably very cheap for you. I want a wallaby, but they are like $1,000 USD. It's criminal!

$40/kilo, actually:

http://static.pixelpipe.com/c5940af2-0e04-4ea9-ba6c-b0453f9d61b6_m.jpg

[Ian Kovtunovich]

$40/kilo, actually:

http://static.pixelpipe.com/c5940af2-0e04-4ea9-ba6c-b0453f9d61b6_m.jpg

HAHAHAHA! They're much cheaper in the package. How is that stuff, anyway? Looks pretty lean.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

I was in Amsterdam for the weekend so I managed to get my hands on a litre of Bushmill's 10 year old single malt, my first Irish single. I also bought smaller bottles of Glenfarclas 10yo and Glengoyne Burnfoot.

I also managed to taste many different whiskies that I hadn't tasted before, including Dalwhinnie 15 yo, MacAllan 18 yo, Craggawullin 16 yo, Johnny Walker Black Label, Gentleman's Jack and probably more that are lost in the alcoholic haze.

That's a swell assortment of booze, hbriem! Interested to hear how the Burnfoot is; I have heard good things. Tried some Glengoyne a while back and I remember it being light and tasty, but it's been a while.

[hbriem]

The various Glengoynes are pretty much all rather light, yet tasty. They make a big deal of being peat-free, which suits me fine. Peaty whiskies I prefer in small quantities. I've had bottles of most of theirs. Burnfoot is the cheapest version, with no age statement, and available in 0.5L plastic flasks in the dutyfree, very handy for travelling. So I've had a few. Burnfoot is a very nice whisky for its price.

Skál!

[Ian Kovtunovich]

The various Glengoynes are pretty much all rather light, yet tasty. They make a big deal of being peat-free, which suits me fine. Peaty whiskies I prefer in small quantities. I've had bottles of most of theirs. Burnfoot is the cheapest version, with no age statement, and available in 0.5L plastic flasks in the dutyfree, very handy for travelling. So I've had a few. Burnfoot is a very nice whisky for its price.

Skál!

Excellent; thanks for the info. For some reason, I was thinking Burnfoot was one of their higher-end limited releases, not that it matters. Good is good, regardless of price.

Slainte!

[Kid]

HAHAHAHA! They're much cheaper in the package. How is that stuff, anyway? Looks pretty lean.

Very very gamey.

[OITW]

Picked up a nice Blair Athol a few weeks back in Edinburgh. But I can't find it on the website of the store I bought it from. Along the Royal Mile in Edinburgh are a couple of whiskey stores each with a minimum of 300 different Scotch whiskies. I expected to pay a little more because of the location, twas about 35 GBP (around $55), but it's just delicious and perfect now that the English weather has gone to its seasonal snit.

http://www.royalmilewhiskies.com/product.asp?pf_id=0010000000450 I found it. Very mild aftertaste, great for after dinner.

[mstrofbass]

Picked up a nice Blair Athol a few weeks back in Edinburgh. But I can't find it on the website of the store I bought it from. Along the Royal Mile in Edinburgh are a couple of whiskey stores each with a minimum of 300 different Scotch whiskies. I expected to pay a little more because of the location, twas about 35 GBP (around $55), but it's just delicious and perfect now that the English weather has gone to its seasonal snit.

http://www.royalmilewhiskies.com/product.asp?pf_id=0010000000450 I found it. Very mild aftertaste, great for after dinner.
An old roommate visited Scotland and brought back a Blair Athol glass. I have never seen any, but always wondered if it was any good.

[OITW]

An old roommate visited Scotland and brought back a Blair Athol glass. I have never seen any, but always wondered if it was any good.

I'm having one now. I certainly recommend it. Very clean, no need for water, and it leaves a very mild aftertaste. This was his first recommendation when I asked for a Scotch for a novice to learn on, cost not an object. Up till now it's been Drambuie (when much younger), Glenlivet, Bushmills (Irish), and blended, this is my big step toward acquiring yet another vice.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

I'm having one now. I certainly recommend it. Very clean, no need for water, and it leaves a very mild aftertaste. This was his first recommendation when I asked for a Scotch for a novice to learn on, cost not an object. Up till now it's been Drambuie (when much younger), Glenlivet, Bushmills (Irish), and blended, this is my big step toward acquiring yet another vice.

Excellent. I have heard of Blair Athol, but never seen it here. IIRC, it's one that gets used in Chivas' blends, which speaks highly of it. And don't discount the blends, lad; good whisky is good whisky!

[mstrofbass]

I'm having one now. I certainly recommend it. Very clean, no need for water, and it leaves a very mild aftertaste. This was his first recommendation when I asked for a Scotch for a novice to learn on, cost not an object. Up till now it's been Drambuie (when much younger), Glenlivet, Bushmills (Irish), and blended, this is my big step toward acquiring yet another vice.

Now you have me on the liquor store site. Damn you for ruining my future productivity!

*EDIT*

DTAY. BLAIR ATHOLL MALT * 750ML 226.31 1261.38 [ 6]
1977 30YR 6/CS [SCOTLAND]

That's about all they show online. A bit out of my price range.

[OITW]

Now you have me on the liquor store site. Damn you for ruining my future productivity!

*EDIT*

DTAY. BLAIR ATHOLL MALT * 750ML 226.31 1261.38 [ 6]
1977 30YR 6/CS [SCOTLAND]

That's about all they show online. A bit out of my price range.

Well, pricey, yes. But there are a lot more than that on the link I posted. Don't know about shipping from Edinburgh, though.

[mstrofbass]

Well, pricey, yes. But there are a lot more than that on the link I posted. Don't know about shipping from Edinburgh, though.

Yeah, I know. I'll find some other place around here, as I've found shipping from the UK to be ridiculous...even on stuff like t-shirts.

[mstrofbass]

I was at Costco today and decided to pick up another bottle. Wanted to go for something I hadn't had, but since I have a bottle of the Triumph, I wanted to compare the two, since I recalled liking the 16 y/o Nadurra better. Went ahead and looked at the background of them, and the Triumph is a different barley that was only used in 1991. I definitely prefer the 16 y/o better. First sip has a nasty bite to it, but after that I can sit there and swirl it around in my mouth for as long as I want. It definitely is my absolute favorite so far.

[OITW]

Cool. Costco, eh?

I really don't understand the UK/US shipping thing. I buy via Ebay from the states, and it's often cheaper and faster for the sender in the states to send USPS International than to use my APO address. Postage from the UK, of course, will kill you.

[OITW]

Bought a nice little Glenlivet aged in French Oak, 15 years tonight. Smooooooth, even the wife liked it. Damn, this Scotch is going to become one bad habit. Cheers!

[JStrong]

Tonight's selection: Macallan Fine Oak (15 yr).

Dramatically different than the 12- the sherry is much more subdued, a far less creamy mouthfeel, and it's got an incredibly peppery finish. It's like a 3 act performance; starts with a blossomy-sherry, gets clean and spicy, and finishes with a hot peppery blast. Did I mention it's peppery?

I'll need to do some more sampling to see if it's a keeper, but it's definitely interesting and different.

[mstrofbass]

Apparently, at one of the bars my favoritest bartender ever works, the Chivas girl has $600 to spend tonight on free Chivas 18 for people, and has only spent $200.

Regrettably, I just got back from a Chinese Buffet, so I'm not likely to move for at least another half hour. Hopefully I can get up there (with a driver preferably) before she runs out.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Apparently, at one of the bars my favoritest bartender ever works, the Chivas girl has $600 to spend tonight on free Chivas 18 for people, and has only spent $200.

Regrettably, I just got back from a Chinese Buffet, so I'm not likely to move for at least another half hour. Hopefully I can get up there (with a driver preferably) before she runs out.

Do. Not. Miss. Out. Chivas 18 = <3 <3 <3

[mstrofbass]

Do. Not. Miss. Out. Chivas 18 = <3 <3 <3

I went up there...didn't have a driver, have to get up and go to work tomorrow, and worked out today, so I didn't get to take a huge advantage of the fact that she paid the entire $600 tab, used up less than $200 of it, and left. So I had a glass, on the rocks, and left. But man, that's some good stuff. Could have used a lot less ice than she put in there, but I'll take it for free.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

I went up there...didn't have a driver, have to get up and go to work tomorrow, and worked out today, so I didn't get to take a huge advantage of the fact that she paid the entire $600 tab, used up less than $200 of it, and left. So I had a glass, on the rocks, and left. But man, that's some good stuff. Could have used a lot less ice than she put in there, but I'll take it for free.

Word. It's pretty light and delicate, given the age. Granted, I drink almost all my scotch neat, but I'd say that's one where it would be especially useful. I can see too much water (or melted ice, as we like to call it) taking a lot of the fun out. Nonetheless, good on you for getting a taste on the cheap. Usually kind of pricey by the glass.

[hbriem]

That sounds like a bad miss. Regular Chivas is very nice whisky (for a blend) and I'm sure the 18 is even better. Gotta try it one day.

I drink single malts and the nicer blends neat. Drop of water in the cask strengths. Regular blends and stuff like Jack Daniels I like with a bit of ice.

[Wayne Riddle]

Could have used a lot less ice than she put in there, but I'll take it for free.

Or no ice. :)

[Wayne Riddle]

Most expensive whiskey sells for $460,000 (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/40221234/ns/today-foodwine/?gt1=43001)

I would love to sample this.

[mstrofbass]

Or no ice. :)

For whatever reason, I prefer it cold. Might have to experiment a bit.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

For whatever reason, I prefer it cold. Might have to experiment a bit.

Cold is one thing; watery-making ice is another. To each his own, obviously--I'm not an ice nazi, but I play one on TV sometimes. There are some clever workarounds for the cold factor; I was given some "whisky rocks" which are little ca. 1/2"sq cubes of soapstone that you leave in the freezer. You can drop them in your glass to chill your dram without diluting it as the ice melts.

[Wayne Riddle]

For whatever reason, I prefer it cold. Might have to experiment a bit.

Place the bottle in the freezer. Or use a single ice cube. Enough to add a little chill without watering the whiskey down. And watered down whiskey makes Jim Beam cry.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

And watered down whiskey makes Jim Beam cry.

Jesus, too. Wasn't his first miracle to turn water into single malt?

[mstrofbass]

Place the bottle in the freezer. Or use a single ice cube. Enough to add a little chill without watering the whiskey down. And watered down whiskey makes Jim Beam cry.

Yes, I feel like I've ruined something beautiful when I suck down the last bit that's 90% water, 10% Scotch. *tears of shame*

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Yes, I feel like I've ruined something beautiful when I suck down the last bit that's 90% water, 10% Scotch. *tears of shame*

It will be alright, my son. Repentence is the first step on the path to forgiveness, and forgiveness is the first step on the path to righteousness.

[Wayne Riddle]

Jesus, too. Wasn't his first miracle to turn water into single malt?

Jesus set the tone, alcohol is better then water.

[TheTonyT]

I dont mean to jump on board late, but I too enjoy a good scotch, and a nice cigar...though very sparengly.

My scotch of choice is usuallly Johnny Walker Black, and my cigar is usually a Punch (Gran Cru)...I know..not that sophisticated, but thats due to a budget crisis.

[Wayne Riddle]

My scotch of choice is usuallly Johnny Walker Black, and my cigar is usually a Punch (Gran Cru)...I know..not that sophisticated, but thats due to a budget crisis.

Main is you enjoy them. Drink something because you enjoy not because someone tells you should.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

I dont mean to jump on board late, but I too enjoy a good scotch, and a nice cigar...though very sparengly.

My scotch of choice is usuallly Johnny Walker Black, and my cigar is usually a Punch (Gran Cru)...I know..not that sophisticated, but thats due to a budget crisis.

There is no "late" in the Scotch & Cigar Thread--all are welcome, always! Can't go wrong with Johnnie Black, I think. A well-crafted blend, and the price is right!

[hbriem]

I'm competing in a powerlifting meet tomorrow, but still, I couldn't resist a small dram of Balvenie Doublewood. Sweet!

[JStrong]

I'm competing in a powerlifting meet tomorrow, but still, I couldn't resist a small dram of Balvenie Doublewood. Sweet!

Good luck, lift strong and give us a recap post. Don't worry, I'll have a couple drams on your behalf tonight. I think I'll crack open the Glenlivet 15.

[hbriem]

Thank you J. Cheers!

[tertius]

In an effort to bring my Ian nature to the surface, I'm drinking some Chivas 12 year.
Excellent flavor, nice with the spice, but pretty rough around the edges. Were it not so late, I'd have a smoke... still might.

[Wayne Riddle]

Stopped by the liquor store hoping to find something from Compass, alas none was too be found. I picked up a bottle of Glenlivet 15 year old French Oak Reserve I hope to sample this weekend.

[Von Richards]

I drank scotch once, I ended up passed out on a main road.... I woke up in hospital with drips.

Good times.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

I drank scotch once, I ended up passed out on a main road.... I woke up in hospital with drips.

Good times.

Is "drips" like the Jack?

[Von Richards]

Is "drips" like the Jack?
Don't know what the jack is but drips are put into your body to hydrate you. Similar to giving blood but instead of blood coming out there is some type of water solution going in.

[Carlos Daniel]

Is "drips" like the Jack?


Don't know what the jack is but drips are put into your body to hydrate you. Similar to giving blood but instead of blood coming out there is some type of water solution going in.

Nevermind Von, it's an arcane AC/DC reference...

[Von Richards]

Nevermind Von, it's an arcane AC/DC reference...
I'm probably the only Aussie who knows F*** all about AC/DC. I'm more of a Who man and by Who I mean The Who.

[Carlos Daniel]

I'm probably the only Aussie who knows F*** all about AC/DC. I'm more of a Who man and by Who I mean The Who.

You can curse around here, Von. Fuck shit ass. See?

[Von Richards]

You can curse around here, Von. Fuck shit ass. See?
I hear you... loud and fucking clear.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

"The Jack" was apparently Aussie slang for the clap, aka gonorrhea. Classic AC/DC song wherein the lyrics are scarcely disguised double-entendre about a girl who is good at cards, but it's actually about a girl who sleeps around a lot and gives Bon Scott the clap. I figured "the drips" sounded like an STD reference, and a likely consequence of a night that ended in being passed out in the road.

Crikey, wombat, outback, Abo, seppo, bloke, Crocodile Dundee, Crocodile Hunter, crikey, crikey!

[Von Richards]

"The Jack" was apparently Aussie slang for the clap, aka gonorrhea. Classic AC/DC song wherein the lyrics are scarcely disguised double-entendre about a girl who is good at cards, but it's actually about a girl who sleeps around a lot and gives Bon Scott the clap. I figured "the drips" sounded like an STD reference, and a likely consequence of a night that ended in being passed out in the road.

Crikey, wombat, outback, Abo, seppo, bloke, Crocodile Dundee, Crocodile Hunter, crikey, crikey!
Haha, I had no chance with that one.

[Wayne Riddle]

Tried the Glenlivet Oak reserve, liking the vanilla undertones of the drink.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

My birthday's right around the corner, so my dad and stepmom gave me my present when we visited at Thanksgiving: a bottle of the Glendronach 12 YO. Just had a nip off the bottle before we hopped in the car and headed home, but it was every bit as tasty as I remembered it being. Looking forward to enjoying my way through the bottle.

[tertius]

I've been enjoying Rittenhouse rye whiskey (100 proof, Bottled in Bond) , recently. Nice nose (strong vanilla note), smooth going in, a bit firey, but not harsh, looong spicy finish. Drink it with a bit of water to open it up, like bourbon. Maybe not very 'sophisticated', but an excellent value, I have to say. I've had worse whiskey at twice the price.

[JStrong]

Tried the Glenlivet Oak reserve, liking the vanilla undertones of the drink.

Wayne I've been drinking this myself and I think it's fantastic, way better than the Macallan 15 fine oak. Great fruit and brightness, my favorite in a while.

[mstrofbass]

My roommate just bought me a bottle of Glenfiddich 12 for my birthday/xmas. Haven't opened it yet, and can't remember if I've tried it before. Pretty excited though.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

My roommate just bought me a bottle of Glenfiddich 12 for my birthday/xmas. Haven't opened it yet, and can't remember if I've tried it before. Pretty excited though.

When I had roommates, none of them ever bought me shit, let alone a bottle of scotch. If I were you, I would hold onto that roommate for life. And happy birthday, and enjoy the Glenfiddich. That's a personal favorite, and the triangular bottle is cool as shit.

[51M0n]

"The Jack" was apparently Aussie slang for the clap, aka gonorrhea. Classic AC/DC song wherein the lyrics are scarcely disguised double-entendre about a girl who is good at cards, but it's actually about a girl who sleeps around a lot and gives Bon Scott the clap.

Wow cobber, now that song makes a whole hell of a lot more sense.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Who knew your national musical treasure was so deep, huh?

[mstrofbass]

When I had roommates, none of them ever bought me shit, let alone a bottle of scotch. If I were you, I would hold onto that roommate for life. And happy birthday, and enjoy the Glenfiddich. That's a personal favorite, and the triangular bottle is cool as shit.

Yes, he's pretty good...it's just a matter of it being a huge cockblock when we have all the same friends, some of whom I'm trying to fuck, and he has an inability to keep his mouth shut. Didn't think about this beforehand.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Yes, he's pretty good...it's just a matter of it being a huge cockblock when we have all the same friends, some of whom I'm trying to fuck, and he has an inability to keep his mouth shut. Didn't think about this beforehand.

Sounds like you just need to keep YOUR mouth shut, and then nothing will come out of his mouth that'll cockblock you. Next time he asks you who you're trying to lay, just smile, pour him a dram of Glenfiddich, and say nothing.

[mstrofbass]

Sounds like you just need to keep YOUR mouth shut, and then nothing will come out of his mouth that'll cockblock you. Next time he asks you who you're trying to lay, just smile, pour him a dram of Glenfiddich, and say nothing.

Oh, yes, he knows nothing, but it would be nice to have the ability to invite them to my place once in a while.

[mstrofbass]

That's a personal favorite, and the triangular bottle is cool as shit.

I wasn't planning on having anything tonight, but then decided I'd try some of the Glenfiddich before going to bed as a reward for the first day of studying for finals. After my experience with the Chivas, I thought I'd be lighter on the ice and put two cubes in instead of more (but I'm usually drinking the Glenlivet cask strength, so it would make sense to use fewer with this), and a tiny bit of water just for the hell of it.

Holy crap this is good stuff. Probably close to being as mild as the Chivas, and not quite as strong of a finish. It's almost good enough and cheap enough to knock out Glenlivet 12 as my standard, but I think it's a bit too mild. It's been a while since I had Glenlivet 12, so I'll have to get some and reevaluate. This stuff is definitely a bottle I would recommend as a good starting point for someone who's looking to get into the habit. I'll probably try it neat next time.

[Wayne Riddle]

It's almost good enough and cheap enough to knock out Glenlivet 12 as my standard, but I think it's a bit too mild. It's been a while since I had Glenlivet 12, so I'll have to get some and reevaluate.

Use just a single ice cube and no added water and see if it is still too mild for you.

[SGalls]

I would suggest you cut down on the ice and water if you think it is too mild. That should help you out with the taste as well. Watered down Glenfiddich is like champagne flutes (http://www.marilynskeepsakes.com/) compared to the good stuff. But you're right, it is cheap and pretty tasty. Should still make a good facebook status (http://www.postrandomonium.com) though.

[Greg C]

Johnnie Walker Green Label. I'm about halfway into this bottle (not all today, damnit!) and it's taken me a bit to decide I like it. Previous bottle was Glenlivet French Oak, which was smoother and more subtle. This has a spiciness/smokiness and a little bite that I was unprepared for (VERY different from the Black label imo). Nice with a rock or two as well, and a pleasant change.

[Carlos Daniel]

Green label has a special place in my heart, it was my first good whisky and I find it pretty damn good, but it has become too pricey to be worth it.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Johnnie Walker Green Label. I'm about halfway into this bottle (not all today, damnit!) and it's taken me a bit to decide I like it. Previous bottle was Glenlivet French Oak, which was smoother and more subtle. This has a spiciness/smokiness and a little bite that I was unprepared for (VERY different from the Black label imo). Nice with a rock or two as well, and a pleasant change.

I had a similar experience with a dram of Green a while back. A little difficult, I thought. I read a review of it on a scotch blog I trust (Dr. Whisky; good reviews there) and it said something like "could benefit from ice--or a shitty mood." I wish the Green was more of a direct halfway point, flavor-wise, between Black and Gold. Good GAWD, the Gold is a thing of beauty. Smoothest thing in a bottle, I reckon.

[JStrong]

Email from a friend and client today:


Hi JStrong,

I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. We both have much to be thankful for.

I thought of you yesterday after a client dropped off a nice gift to me, a 36 year old bottle of single malt. He said it was supposed to be REALLY good, rated 94 & 95 in different mags and was “whisky of the year” in 2004 when released.

Hope to see you sometime so we can open it up!

Have you ever heard of Glenfarclas? It is the 1986, released in 2004.

He actually meant the 1968 I think-- So I've got that going for me, which is nice.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Email from a friend and client today:



He actually meant the 1968 I think-- So I've got that going for me, which is nice.

Damn, that ought to be quite an experience. Glenfarclas really goes to town with the special bottlings, it seems. I swear they have like 20 different things on offer. All these reserve casks, family casks, vintage releases, 10-20-30-40-50-60-70-80-whatever-year-old expressions. I wish I liked their whisky more.

[tertius]

Being a clever bastard, I bought a bottle of Glenfiddich 15 to take to an end-of-the-semester type event, figuring I'd get to take most of it home with me.
Turns out the host wasn't much of a Scotch drinker, and thus insisted that I take it home with me (mostly full, I might add).

The Glenfiddich is very nice, almost a bit too smooth for me, actually.

Makes me wish I'd spent a more and picked up a bottle of the Nadurra, honestly...

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Being a clever bastard, I bought a bottle of Glenfiddich 15 to take to an end-of-the-semester type event, figuring I'd get to take most of it home with me.
Turns out the host wasn't much of a Scotch drinker, and thus insisted that I take it home with me (mostly full, I might add).

The Glenfiddich is very nice, almost a bit too smooth for me, actually.

Makes me wish I'd spent a more and picked up a bottle of the Nadurra, honestly...

You might have good luck with Cragganmore; still light and sweetish, but a subtle thread of smoke running through it. Also not hideously expensive. If you can find Benromach 10YO, buy it. At least, based on your interest in complexity, I think it'd be a great one for you. Something to ponder, and find different things in it each time you drink it.

[tertius]

You might have good luck with Cragganmore; still light and sweetish, but a subtle thread of smoke running through it. Also not hideously expensive. If you can find Benromach 10YO, buy it. At least, based on your interest in complexity, I think it'd be a great one for you. Something to ponder, and find different things in it each time you drink it.

Duly noted. Going to be a while, though. I've accumulated about five bottles of whiskey in the last couple months (only one stinker out of the bunch, fortunately), and it'll likely take me a while to drink a bottle.

[Greg C]

Semester is OVER! Went to the liquor store with my girl. Bottle of Balvenie Caribbean Cask 14 yr. Couldn't wait till this evening to pop the top. Nose is just amazing. Hints of that rum cask with a fruity background. Finish is mildly spicy, with a subtle smokiness that has just a hint of the cask at the end. I will be truly enjoying this bottle.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Semester is OVER! Went to the liquor store with my girl. Bottle of Balvenie Caribbean Cask 14 yr. Couldn't wait till this evening to pop the top. Nose is just amazing. Hints of that rum cask with a fruity background. Finish is mildly spicy, with a subtle smokiness that has just a hint of the cask at the end. I will be truly enjoying this bottle.

Mmmmmm....gaga. That stuff sounds assmazing.

Currently enjoying The Macallan Cask Strength. I had thought I wasn't that into sherried whiskies, but between the Aberlour A'bunadh, the Glendronach 12, and this Macallan, I am proving myself wrong, wrong, wrong. Caramelly smoothness FTW!

[Greg C]

Yeah... they had that one too... and a whole mess of other great sounding scotches (not to speak of the other boozezzz....hmmmm). It was quite challenging to choose. I am thinking a Macallan may be next. We'll see.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Christmas morning brings a sleighload of whisky to the Kov house!

Very excited about a bottle of Compass Box Asyla (finally!), as well as my first bottle of Highland Park 12YO; dad also cut me a check for a bottle of Laphroaig Cask Strength, which I've been waiting on since last Christmas. Mmmm...liquor store's open tomorrow! And, to abet my consumption, Mrs. K got me a lovely new stainless steel flask and funnel. Heading to the in-laws' tomorrow, so we'll be test-driving flasky, oh yes, oh yes.

And, not quite whisky, but two bottles of beer from Brew Dog Brewery in Scotland, one of their Storm IPA aged in Islay whisky casks, and one of their Bashah collaboration with Stone Brewing of Seattle, which is a "Black Belgian-style Double IPA," which sounds wicked cool. Further in the beer category, I bought a 22 of Bridgeport Nightcap, a limited release winter ale, 33% of which is aged in bourbon barrels, and which will no doubt be outstanding. And also in the fridge is Great Divide Brewery's Hibernation Ale, a robust 8+% winter beer that's nice and malty, but with a nice overlay of evergreen-y hops.

[Greg C]

Lush. I am appropriately jealous as you can see.

[hbriem]

My lovely sons got me a bottle of cask strength 12yo Glengoyne that will go well in the monogrammed hip flask I got. Not much opportunity for serious drinking on this rather short christmas, but New Year's eve is coming up and that hip flask will go down a treat at the bonfire.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Just to give this thread a little bump, I had some bog standard Laphroaig 10YO last night for the first time in several months. That shit is so damn good; truly special stuff. I was going to get the cask strength, but the liquor store was out, so I got the 10. I am not disappointed!

[hbriem]

Thanks for the bump, Ian. Your post inspired me to fetch my bottle of Bushmills 10yo Single Malt and pour a dram. So smooth and fruity, like an Irish country accent. It's a cold, cold day up here in Iceland and it goes down a treat.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Thanks for the bump, Ian. Your post inspired me to fetch my bottle of Bushmills 10yo Single Malt and pour a dram. So smooth and fruity, like an Irish country accent. It's a cold, cold day up here in Iceland and it goes down a treat.

One of these days I need to try some more Irish whiskies. I'm having so damn much fun with the Scotch, that I don't feel the need to branch out (I think I now have 14 bottles, most of which are empty, but still...). There's a great little pub here that specializes in Irish whiskey. Been hearing good things about Connemara.

[Carlos Daniel]

Just to give this thread a little bump, I had some bog standard Laphroaig 10YO last night for the first time in several months. That shit is so damn good; truly special stuff. I was going to get the cask strength, but the liquor store was out, so I got the 10. I am not disappointed!

Laphroaig is like licking the bottom of a rock by the ocean with algae and a crab dangling from the side. I don't mean that as a bad thing though.

[JStrong]

Laphroaig is like licking the bottom of a rock by the ocean with algae and a crab dangling from the side. I don't mean that as a bad thing though.

Or drinking a glass of peat-water. But I'm on my second dram of Laphroaig this evening, so who am I to judge?

Had an Arturo Fuente today as well (a little cubanito)
http://store.tobaccolocker.com/catalog/af_cubanitos_tin.jpg
and as always, it was an excellent smoke. It's infuriating to have long, jagged runs in a cigar or hit a loose spot in the tobacco, I'm just starting to appreciate how important a good draw is on a cigar. Arturo Fuente's really do always seem to be well-rolled.

Hey, I just noticed there was an earlier Whiskey Thread (http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showthread.php?t=14610). Ian, you pop up in all the alcohol -fueled threads around here.... my kinda guy!

[shootwillus]

I just bought a bottle of Connemara Peated Irish Whiskey. It tastes just like an Islay Scotch variant....its very good. Its a little cheaper than some more expensive single malts and no less quality...anyone else had it?

[JStrong]

Tonight's selection: Glenlivet 18

Spicy nose (clove?) sweet heat to start with an oak finish (not surprising for an 18).

I like it, very robust. I still think I prefer the 15, but this is very good and has a nice lingering warmth in the belly.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Laphroaig is like licking the bottom of a rock by the ocean with algae and a crab dangling from the side. I don't mean that as a bad thing though.

Funny, that's pretty much what I think of Ardbeg, but I do mean it as a bad thing. I just can't figure that stuff out, and people LOVE it. I should prolly try it again, but, damn...

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Tonight's selection: Glenlivet 18

Spicy nose (clove?) sweet heat to start with an oak finish (not surprising for an 18).

I like it, very robust. I still think I prefer the 15, but this is very good and has a nice lingering warmth in the belly.

I think I was about halfway through my bottle of 18 before it clicked with me. I found Glenfiddich 18 a little more accessible at first. Makes me wonder what older whisky is like, and if I'd even like it. I've heard the older stuff is pretty intense.

[JStrong]

Older isn't necessarily better I don't think. Older just means more like the barrel. Sure, there are subtleties and the flavors have time to muddle and mellow. I've enjoyed younger whiskies better so far, but I appreciate older ones when I've sampled the younger varieties of the same whisky. So basically, I'd say try the 10 or 12 before you try the 18 20 or 30 of anything, if possible.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Older isn't necessarily better I don't think. Older just means more like the barrel. Sure, there are subtleties and the flavors have time to muddle and mellow. I've enjoyed younger whiskies better so far, but I appreciate older ones when I've sampled the younger varieties of the same whisky. So basically, I'd say try the 10 or 12 before you try the 18 20 or 30 of anything, if possible.

I would tend to agree, in my experience so far. Older especially means rarer, but it seems like there's a sweet spot with whisky, and probably majorly diminishing returns as age increases adn price skyrockets. Old whiskies do play a very important role in blends, which is kind of a neat use for them. Blenders (well, even single malt producers) can really leverage that intensity and concentration of flavor to add complexity. I'd rather not be spending upwards of $100 on a bottle of anything, anyway, for the most part.

[shootwillus]

Older whiskey is usually more mellow...but that is not always a good thing. Case in Point: Laphroaig

I've had Laphroaig 10, 15, 18, Quarter Cask, and Cask Strength. I drink Laphroaig because of its "unique" taste. The older it gets, the more mellow and the less...well, it tastes like Laphroaig. I prefer the 10 to the 15 or 18 (in fact I cannot tell the difference between the 15 and 18). I like the quartercask and cask strength the best as they have even more of that rich Laphroaig flavor.

[JStrong]

Ok gents, off to Vegas very soon, anything I need to try, whisky-wise?

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Ok gents, off to Vegas very soon, anything I need to try, whisky-wise?

See if the Johnny Walker Double Black is out yet; it's due out in early '11, and is I think in duty-free shops right now. I've been digging the hell out of the Glendronach 12, so if you see that, or any older expressions of Glendronach, go for it.

[JStrong]

Only thing semi-unique I was able to try was A Balvenie Single-barrel. Good but not great I confess.

I did however throw multiple waitresses for a loop asking for my scotch in a snifter. Only once could they not come up with one.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Only thing semi-unique I was able to try was A Balvenie Single-barrel. Good but not great I confess.

I did however throw multiple waitresses for a loop asking for my scotch in a snifter. Only once could they not come up with one.

Funny. Never heard of such a thing. I have some scotch tasting glasses, but prefer a tumbler.

[JStrong]

I think sherry is usually had in a snifter--really brings out the smell.

On your prior recommendation Ian I ordered a bottle of the 12 yr GlenDronach--I'll give a review!

Also married to a tri-delt. Interesting.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

I think sherry is usually had in a snifter--really brings out the smell.

On your prior recommendation Ian I ordered a bottle of the 12 yr GlenDronach--I'll give a review!

Also married to a tri-delt. Interesting.

Excellent. Definitely looking forward to your write-up. My brother-in-law liked the GD12YO so much he drained it in a couple weeks and picked up a bottle of the 18YO. Seems to be a hit with whoever tries it, so I hope you enjoy it as much.

[JStrong]

Glendronach 12

http://www.shoppersvineyard.com/store/pc/catalog/13325_308_general.jpg

Well, I still think the Macallan 12 is the winner for sherried whisky's in my house, but I am enjoying the Glendronach. Something about it reminds be of Bourbon.

The nose is a little too strong with alcohol for my liking. But the flavor is quite pleasant--a bit of hay, the lightness in color and mouth feel, and the sherry is fairly subtle. I've been knocking them back neat for 3 nights and I must say, it's pleasant and airy enough that I have to be careful to not let 2 turn into 4, lest my employer & wife frown on my drunkenness.

Anyway, I'd certainly try another bottle once I finish this one, I'm interested to see how some of the older varieties hang on to the sherry, as it's already a part of the bouquet instead of star of the show.

Nice recommendation Ian.

[t0rment]

How did I ever miss this thread?

Currently in my tiny collection:

Laphroaig 10 YO
Laphroaig Quarter Cask (my favourite)
Lagavulin 16 YO
Glenmorangie Quinta Ruban
Smokehead

[mstrofbass]

Alright, you guys sold me. Went to Spec's to get some Bourbon for my roommate's birthday (picked up some of that Haydn stuff, since it's the only name I saw that I recognized but wasn't one of the normal kind). Whenever I go to Spec's I walk out with a bottle of Scotch too, and so I picked up some Laphroaig 10 YO. Almost got some Quarter Cask, but decided I'd try the basic stuff first.

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Alright, you guys sold me. Went to Spec's to get some Bourbon for my roommate's birthday (picked up some of that Haydn stuff, since it's the only name I saw that I recognized but wasn't one of the normal kind). Whenever I go to Spec's I walk out with a bottle of Scotch too, and so I picked up some Laphroaig 10 YO. Almost got some Quarter Cask, but decided I'd try the basic stuff first.

Right on! The Laphroaig 10 is really outstanding stuff. I have both that and the Quarter Cask, and I don't think the QC is better really, just different.

[t0rment]

Agreed. I prefer the Quarter Cask; tastes a bit peatier to me, and a tad sweeter too. It was my first taste of Laphroaig though, or any peaty scotch for that matter, so that could be part of it.

Do yourself a favour and get a proper nosing glass: http://www.whiskyglass.com/

It's the equivalent of squatting with a proper pair of shoes, or deadlifting with chalk.

[mstrofbass]

Agreed. I prefer the Quarter Cask; tastes a bit peatier to me, and a tad sweeter too. It was my first taste of Laphroaig though, or any peaty scotch for that matter, so that could be part of it.

Do yourself a favour and get a proper nosing glass: http://www.whiskyglass.com/

It's the equivalent of squatting with a proper pair of shoes, or deadlifting with chalk.

An old roommate brought one like that back from the Blair Athol distillery when he was in Scotland.

[t0rment]

They're excellent glasses. Well worth the money.

[mstrofbass]

That Laphroaig 10 is something else. Never had anything like it...and the first thing I thought of was what someone else mentioned...it tasted like eating the ground directly. Not necessarily in a bad way, but I definitely will be watering it down a little more than they recommend.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs257.snc6/180507_10100457738759730_7923081_67838940_2836717_ n.jpg

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Laphroaig is a good litmus test for whether you are or are not yet a man. Keep at it.

[t0rment]

Beautiful looking glass.

The best description I've ever heard for Laphroaig is if you took a smoked fish, rubbed it on a horse, stuck it in the ground for a few weeks, and then let it sit in an old dude's wallet. You get accustomed to the strange notes very fast. My first few glasses tasted odd. The next day, I could no longer perceive that off-putting feeling - it was just smoky, salty goodness. I actually kind of miss that first taste now.

Far as I can tell, Laphroaig is the best value for an Islay scotch. The Lagavulin 16 is about twice as much and while excellent, I still prefer the Laphroaig by far.

Think I'm going to have a glass right now.

[shootwillus]

Laphroaig is not a drink that accompanies food particularly well...however, it is fucking great with lox (gravlox aka smoked salmon). I also think its good with raw oysters. The salty...smokey...peat/sea flavor is such a nice compliment to the food. Also, Laphroaig is great for guzzling, all by itself.

[Carlos Daniel]

What about Bowmore? I got myself a bottle a couple of weeks ago, tasted a lot like Laphroaig.

[t0rment]

Fuck yes! Also excellent with smoked sprats in oil:

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg303/t0rmentlsd/sprats.jpg

One disappointing thing is it doesn't mix particularly well with cigarettes, either. Seems to kill most of the smoke and peat.

[mstrofbass]

The best description I've ever heard for Laphroaig is if you took a smoked fish, rubbed it on a horse, stuck it in the ground for a few weeks, and then let it sit in an old dude's wallet. You get accustomed to the strange notes very fast. My first few glasses tasted odd. The next day, I could no longer perceive that off-putting feeling - it was just smoky, salty goodness. I actually kind of miss that first taste now.

Would you suggest continuing to try it with just the little bit of water ("a few drops") as they recommended?

[Ian Kovtunovich]

Would you suggest continuing to try it with just the little bit of water ("a few drops") as they recommended?

I know you were asking t0rment, but I would say try it however it tastes good, and if you like it, go with it. I drink mine neat, although I usually do a splash of water in my Quarter Cask, as the ABV is a little higher than I like, and the water knocks that edge off. Funny thing, I have found that Laphroaig tastes great in the shower; like, a very hot, steamy shower. Something about breathing the steam, and the flavor of the whisky...it's like being at the beach on a foggy day, smelling woodsmoke and ocean smells...something about it just works. Recommended.

[mstrofbass]

I know you were asking t0rment, but I would say try it however it tastes good, and if you like it, go with it. I drink mine neat, although I usually do a splash of water in my Quarter Cask, as the ABV is a little higher than I like, and the water knocks that edge off. Funny thing, I have found that Laphroaig tastes great in the shower; like, a very hot, steamy shower. Something about breathing the steam, and the flavor of the whisky...it's like being at the beach on a foggy day, smelling woodsmoke and ocean smells...something about it just works. Recommended.

Well, it was more of a question of whether I should expect the flavor to mellow out after I drink it a bit more. It's a little rough right now, but if I get used to it, I'll keep at it.

Also, the scene in my head is a bit disturbing thanks to you.

[tertius]

I know you were asking t0rment, but I would say try it however it tastes good, and if you like it, go with it. I drink mine neat, although I usually do a splash of water in my Quarter Cask, as the ABV is a little higher than I like, and the water knocks that edge off. Funny thing, I have found that Laphroaig tastes great in the shower; like, a very hot, steamy shower. Something about breathing the steam, and the flavor of the whisky...it's like being at the beach on a foggy day, smelling woodsmoke and ocean smells...something about it just works. Recommended.


You drink whisky in the shower?

That's dedication Ian. I am impressed.

[mstrofbass]

You drink whisky in the shower?

That's dedication Ian. I am impressed.

I've almost done it. Definitely done an ice cold beer in the shower...which is an amazing experience after a long day.

[t0rment]

Yeah, the drops of water thing depends on personal taste and the whisky. Some benefit, some don't. The closer to 80 proof it is, the less water it will need. I generally don't add more than a couple of drops to the 10YO, but I'll add a splash or two to the Quarter Cask as it's 48%. Just experiment and find what works for you. Stay away from tap water if you can since the impurities can affect the taste in a negative way. Spring water or distilled water are best. Also, experiment with letting the glass sit for a while. It will often taste different after 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 45 minutes, and so on. Not too long though or the flavour will be lost. As you can tell there is no "right" way to have it, other than no fucking ice. As for the roughness, start with small sips and let them roll around in your mouth and try to appreciate all the aromas and flavours. Big gulps will make the whisky seem rougher than it is.

Hah, Ian, I thought I was the only one who drank Scotch in the shower! It really is quite an excellent experience.