The best reason I can think of is that at the meet they are both done the same day. If you are not a competitor, this argument makes some sense.
The best reason I can think of is that at the meet they are both done the same day. If you are not a competitor, this argument makes some sense.
I agree with Rip. A novice might be able to get by, so long as the weights don't get heavy enough where pulling three times a week interferes with recovery. I had a problem with this, but I had a weak low back when I first got here.
An intermediate who is not close to a meet could stick to a Texas Method set up, and do one of the lifts once a week, and this would be fine. This can be altered a bit as the date of a meet draws near, though.
Justin, looking at your outlay for what you posted at 70s big. What reps x Sets would you use for the following:
Clean and Jerk heavy
Snatch for sets across
It's in the post, Mr. Sleuth. And it also depends.
But for the most part the lifter will go up to between 1 and 5 reps when they go heavy (less reps as they are further along in the progression since it is unlikely they can get multiple reps at a challenging weight). The sets across are usually 10 to 15 singles on the minute for snatch and 8 to 10 singles every two minutes for the clean and jerk.
But if I were coaching someone I'd take into account a bunch of different variables to decide this.
Unless they have a meet coming up. I would like them to get through a linear progression because that means they no-shit exhausted a linear progression and have achieved as much strength as they could on a daily basis. However, sometimes you have good athletes who wouldn't enjoy not doing their lifts, so I'd have them do something based on the novice Oly program I outlined early in this thread (and on my website). If you are smart with the progressions, that program can be very useful and can get someone pretty strong.
If someone is just starting out with lifting, then they have a ways to go on a linear progression.
Last edited by Mark Rippetoe; 03-31-2010 at 07:34 PM.
This is kind of a strange question, that came up in my head whilst flicking through practical programming:
The intermediate programmes tend to follow a light/medium/heavy starr-type model.
Can the Texas Method be used for olympic lifts, for a 3 day workout routine??
eg:
monday (stress) - 8 sets of 3 reps for C&J and SN with a moderately heavy weight
wed (recovery) - 3-5 sets of 3 rep for C&J and SN with a light weight
fri (intensity) - 5 heavy singles aiming for a pr for C&J and SN
Not much mention has been made about texas method for o-lifting?
many thanks!
Versions of this can be used, but what happens to your strength work in this program? I think that more days are better for the 2 lifts, even if not absolutely necessary.
I understand your point. Doing TM for o-lifting, on top of TM for deads, and squats, (and presses and bench) all on a 3 day basis is a lot of work per workout.
R P McMurphy
PS thanks for heads up on doing strength work to increase my o-lifts.
The local weightlifting coach (who doesn't teach me, but gives advise when I see him now again) strongly advised against this kind of strength work.
I went against his opinion and his routine (which didn't increase my lifts to any great extent), and have been hitting PR's pretty much every week. I susect if i can get my deadlift up to 250kg, i'll qualify for nationals.
I have said it before and i'll say it again - YOU SHOULD WRITE A BOOK FOR O-LIFTING!!!!!
I'm also doing the program that Justin has outlined on his website. Although I consider myself a novice in olympic weightlifting, I'm not able to progress on the 'strength lifts' every day as proposed in the SS model.
I think in this thread it has been brushed upon but I don't fully understand it, when approaching an intermediate state would you suggest that the linear approach (for the strength lifts) would be a weekly increase and stick to the 5 sets of 3 reps or for instance a Texas method approach, where the squat on day 2 would be a volume day and on day 4 would be an intensity day?
thanks in advance