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    Quote Originally Posted by HulkFeet View Post
    A store near me just got their allocation for the Small Batch Limited Edition. They want $249 for a bottle. It's the 2014.
    That's 2.5x retail. Somebody will buy it at that price though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallison View Post
    I'm struggling a bit with your first point. Maybe "evaporative loss" would be the more accurate variable description. Surely there is less evaporative loss of water at higher versus lower humidities (although it's vapor pressure remains the same)? Then, given that there is no ethanol concentration in the atmosphere, couldn't the lines of "evaporative loss" potentially cross one another merely based on humidity differences?
    To clarify my explanation regarding the vapor pressures: Under the same conditions ethanol (higher vapor pressure) will always evaporate faster than water (lower vapor pressure).
    Of course, humidity has an effect on the evaporation of water. Less water will transit from the liquid to the gaseous phase as the humidity rises (the air gets saturated). This also means that there can be no "crossing of the lines", unless the ethanol saturation of the air is unrealistically high.

    We have some decent evidence that the loss rates of ethanol and water can be inverted in the barrel, now it's just a hunt for a reasonable physical model as to how that happens. I've read several wine references now that only mention humidity, but that isn't definitive, I'll grant you.
    There is no doubt that humidity is responsible for this phenomenon. I find it rather astounding that none of the articles and references deliver a profound scientific explanation. Maybe the relevant literature is just not publicly available.

    The only data I could find on polarity and wood permeability, though, actually argues against your hypothesis determining that the more polar substance is slower due to adsorbtion by cell walls (Transport of Polar and Nonpolar Liquids in Softwood Imaged by Neutron Radiography | SpringerLink). Do you have evidence you can point to to support the case you make?

    My most recent other suspect for this -- if humidity isn't enough to explain it (which I admit is not all that satisfying in pure conjecture form) -- is that perhaps capillary action could be the differentiator. With respect to the physics of the capillary action favoring water transport over ethanol transport through the barrel walls, see: Washburn's Equation. The relevant physical parameters are surface tension (gamma) in the nominator and viscosity (eta) in the denominator, the values of which both very much favor water over ethanol in terms of capillary flow or "wicking" rate (for surface tension: water >> EtOH; for viscosity: water < EtOH - who knew?).
    Maybe we are talking past each other. While the humidity is low the wood cells will try to absorb (not adsorb) water by attracting it from the whiskey up to the most outer layer of cells. The water will, of course, not pass through the outside layer of cells ("last stage" is reached) - thus "permeability" might be a mistakable phrasing here. If this absorption process is faster than the evaporation of ethanol (which seems likely), alcohol content in the whiskey rises.



    Back to drinking whiskey: I'd like to buy my first bourbon (under $30), but don't know which one to choose:
    • Buffalo Trace (saw this one being recommended in a different thread)
    • Four Roses Single Barrel
    • Maker's Mark
    • Knob Creek
    • or a completely different one


    Which one should I go with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CeeKa View Post
    Back to drinking whiskey: I'd like to buy my first bourbon (under $30), but don't know which one to choose:
    • Buffalo Trace (saw this one being recommended in a different thread)
    • Four Roses Single Barrel
    • Maker's Mark
    • Knob Creek
    • or a completely different one


    Which one should I go with?
    Definitely the Four Roses. And I am suddenly reminded of Henry McKenna 10YO BiB. Excellent for the money.

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    Rip,

    Are you getting or do you already have pappy 25yr? A bar down the street claims to be getting a bottle and my SS coach and I are going to split a glass of it when it hits.

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    Hardly a beginner whiskey. I'm not interested in jumping on that particularly expensive bandwagon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesfromphoenix View Post
    Rip,

    Are you getting or do you already have pappy 25yr? A bar down the street claims to be getting a bottle and my SS coach and I are going to split a glass of it when it hits.
    You say that now, until you see how much they end up charging for a pour....

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    Well over $100.

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    The lowest I've seen is a place in Chicago for $210 an ounce.

    One Of America's Rarest, Most Expensive Bourbons Is Now Available In Chicago: Chicagoist

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    Only a very rich fool would pay that much for a pour.

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    A guy I work with paid £200 for a pour of rum once, poor bastard didn't remember until he found the receipt, doesn't have the slightest idea how it tasted.

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