Ask Rip 40: Worse than usual.

[CJ Gotcher]

I mean, if someone is unable to press with the bar sitting on his delts, how would he be able to bring his chest to the bar in a pullup?

Consider these questions.

Why does the arm float in the press and what does it have to do with the position of the elbow and the major bones of the arm?
How does the fact that we have to stand in the press limit the angle our body can take in relation to the bar (assuming a rigid torso)?
How does the fact that the press is a push and not a pull (specifically a partial row in the case of the chest to bar pullup) affect the mechanics of the lift?
Before you posed these hypothetical questions, did you look for quality pictures and videos of strict chest-to-bar pullups?

The answers await you.

[Will Morris]

I'm going to say that I believe the prevailing theories on Fibromyalgia are almost exactly as described, though it may be more accurate to state that the disorder has a psychological component, rather than being essentially a psychological disorder.

There is a lot of evidence out there for the management of FM, and exercise is the single best intervention for it. Regular cardiovascular exercise, giving way to resistance training when tolerated is among the strongest recommendations. The other very strong recommendation is that no single provider can treat this alone, and the care of a FMS patient requires an interdisciplinary effort.

[quad]

Consider these questions.

Why does the arm float in the press and what does it have to do with the position of the elbow and the major bones of the arm?
How does the fact that we have to stand in the press limit the angle our body can take in relation to the bar (assuming a rigid torso)?
How does the fact that the press is a push and not a pull (specifically a partial row in the case of the chest to bar pullup) affect the mechanics of the lift?
Before you posed these hypothetical questions, did you look for quality pictures and videos of strict chest-to-bar pullups?

The answers await you.

Forearms vertical is the most mechanically efficient position for press and pullups and for the same reasons. This is why you can't touch your chest in a heavy slow pullup, because if it's hard you can't use momentum to compensate for the less mechanically efficient wrist/elbow positioning. See Weighted Strict Chest to Bar Pull-Ups - YouTube

[boaminator]

I thoroughly enjoyed this. Just wait until the Fibromyalgia apologists catch wind

[CJ Gotcher]

Forearms vertical is the most mechanically efficient position for press and pullups and for the same reasons. This is why you can't touch your chest in a heavy slow pullup, because if it's hard you can't use momentum to compensate for the less mechanically efficient wrist/elbow positioning. See Weighted Strict Chest to Bar Pull-Ups - YouTube

You can't touch your chest in a heavy slow pullup? I beg to differ. So does this kid, and virtually every gymnast who's ever learned to do a controlled muscle-up.

The wrist is neutral in a correctly performed CTB pullup. The body itself leans back in a way that you can't in a press to enable the 'rowing' movement. The degree of momentum depends on the intent of the lifter and their degree of strength. Indeed, most lifters don't have the strength to do a slow chest to bar... in the same way that you may not have enough strength to execute a power clean because you can't generate enough momentum to lift it through the point at which you're mechanically disadvantaged, but you might be able to deadlift that weight over a shorter range of motion.

[quad]

If it takes you 1:40 mins to do a muscle up it really isn't heavy, so the less mechanically efficient position is compensated by using more force.

[Mark Rippetoe]

If it takes you 1:40 mins to do a muscle up

What the hell does this actually mean, quad?

[quad]

What the hell does this actually mean, quad?

The video displays a human male purposedly slowly performing 1 muscle up. It takes him 1:40 mins.

[Mark Rippetoe]

One (1) minute and forty (40) seconds, right? No, it's not heavy to him. He also weighs about 130. So, explain how this is relevant to the thread.

[quad]

It is because if you use all the force to pull yourself up, and none of it is wasted because of the inefficient position, you are not gonna be able to touch tour chest to the bar withouth protracting your shoulders andare flexing your wrists.