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    Default I never said strength training has no cardiovascular effect

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    It has some ...especially if you train a certain way but not enough ...anything that raises the heart rate has some cardiovascular effect...

    There is a direct relationship between VO2 max and max heart rate , in fact , for the lay person they ARE THE SAME THING......The longer you keep your heart rate up the more oxygen is supplied to the body ....the heart is essentially AN OXYGEN PUMP...yes it is much more but its main role is to pump oxygen to the body...the higher its rate the more oxygen it pumps....now oxygenation ...is a term...like strength...like endurance etc....that is always relative ...for instance you might call using 5 reps " strength" training and 20 reps " endurance " training but we would argue to the end of time about at what rep exactly does strength or endurance part ways 15 , 12, 10 ? , but nevertheless we all pretty much agree that the low reps are strength and real high reps are endurance....so it is the same with the word oxygenation...every breathe we take "oxygenates" the body .....but the lay person uses that term to denote a certain VO2 max ...so much more oxygen is being uptaked by the body during max heart rate than at rest...just like so much more oxygen is being utilized during aerobic training than strength training that there is no comparison really...this massive intake and uptake of 02 throughout the whole body system above a certain threshold is called oxygenation....the arteries , cappillaries and arterioles, etc...dilate and become more efficient at utilizing oxygen ....this is the other part of the term oxygenation....this improvement in the UTILIZATION of oxygen is anti-aging......

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    Okay Sully. This is what you get for hesitation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Okay Sully. This is what you get for hesitation.
    I am well-punished, sir.

    But my punishment is predicated on the assumption that there are any number of fucks which I do not, in fact, give. Fish-in-a-barrel isn't worth it anymore.

    In any case:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon Sullivan View Post
    I'm not sure he is, wal. I don't know the demographics on bariatric surgery. Do you?
    Nope, but the folk round here that I know that have had it done are certainly nowhere near 400Lbs, more like 200lbs. It it is more of an eating problem than a weight problem so that they will take what appears to be the easy way out rather then adjusting their diet and involving in some some decent physical exercise program, a strength training program would be heaps better. Certainly better then bariatric surgery and a cardio program.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon Sullivan View Post
    I'm no expert in bariatrics. But you must concede that there comes a point where the structural and functional implications of supermorbid obesity might require a fairly heroic approach. Your question is like asking whether we can "train out" that person's obesity-induced diabetes, hypertension, osteoarthritis, and psychological sequelae without other interventions. Somebody might argue that we could, but that somebody would not be me. Lifestyle medicine is always the strongest and most preferred medicine, and indeed the bariatric surgeons I know require their prospective patients to demonstrate some degree of commitment with an exercise program and dietary changes--but only as a prelude to surgery, not a replacement. When supermorbid obesity is refractory to other interventions (as it very often is), and actually interferes with the capacity to train safely and productively (as it almost always does), then training as a definitive Rx for that person makes no more sense than prescribing a weekly trip to Fitness 19 for the guy who's having a heart attack in front of you. Stabilize the clinical situation first, then correct the underlying issues.

    I have a little experience with this approach.
    The super morbid-obese are pretty rare around here, however we are doing our best to keep up with you folk over there by increasing our love affair with fast food and sugar drinks. I have heard from some that after the initial weight loss, the weight stabilizes and starts to increase because some folk still keep eating the same old crap howbeit in smaller amounts. It is a mind problem. I understand what you are saying about some of these super heavy weights who need drastic intervention, but more folk that are down in 100 kg range could be better served with a program such as SS before they reach the morbid stage, those are the folk that I would suggest would be better off then going down the banding or bypass surgery path.

    I suppose in the ideal world it would be better to catch these folk before the inevitable happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.T View Post
    No, Wal. I have a great deal of experience with these patients. Bariatric surgery is an extreme solution to an extreme problem. Nothing else works for most of these people (95% 1-5 year failure rate for diet alone). This is well-accepted and written about extensively in the literature, even by specialties hostile to surgery. When you see somebody come off 100u insulin/ day and go from 4 antihypertensives to 1 and get off statins, all in 9 months, you become a believer damn quick. Also, this is well-demonstrated in the literature.

    Quick primer, there are several types of weight loss surgery. Restrictive procedures and restrictive/ malabsorptive procedures. The procedure is chosen based on the severity of obesity. The complications you list are rare, but more common with the malabsorptive procedures.

    Ideal sequence for obese:

    weigh loss via diet followed by resistance training for life

    if this fails (95% failure rate),

    weigh loss via surgery followed by resistance training for life

    Resistance training treats osteopenia and sarcopenia. Got it?
    Yes sir, got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Been View Post
    I listen to anybody who tells me not to run.
    Sure Bill, yep, you need to qualify your statement. What about Mrs Been Hmm? How many time has she said to you run down to the store to pick up the groceries? How many times have you said, "Go and get your own groceries I don't run"? I bet you answer just like the rest of us, "Yes dear, I will be right back in no time"?

    If I don't get the groceries I don't eat, If I had a dollar for every time I said "Yes Dear" in 2016, I could have bought a new Kia with alloys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.T View Post
    Best activity for recovery days? Vigorous f***ing.



    No, Wal. I have a great deal of experience with these patients. Bariatric surgery is an extreme solution to an extreme problem. Nothing else works for most of these people (95% 1-5 year failure rate for diet alone). This is well-accepted and written about extensively in the literature, even by specialties hostile to surgery. When you see somebody come off 100u insulin/ day and go from 4 antihypertensives to 1 and get off statins, all in 9 months, you become a believer damn quick. Also, this is well-demonstrated in the literature.

    Quick primer, there are several types of weight loss surgery. Restrictive procedures and restrictive/ malabsorptive procedures. The procedure is chosen based on the severity of obesity. The complications you list are rare, but more common with the malabsorptive procedures.

    Ideal sequence for obese:

    weigh loss via diet followed by resistance training for life

    if this fails (95% failure rate),

    weigh loss via surgery followed by resistance training for life

    Resistance training treats osteopenia and sarcopenia. Got it?
    Thanks for the the rest day advice, but with 5 kids already that option is not on! Better to go for a run or overtrain.

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    I have long suspected that my aging was a result of inadequate oxygenation. For example, as I sit here with my pathetic, non-oxygenating 60 BPM heart rate, I can't help but think how much more betterly oxygenated my body tissues and even my body cells would be if my heart rate was 160. I have not drunken adequate coffee to elevate my oxygen pump oxygenator to that level of life-prolonging oxygen delivery, so it occurred to me that amphetamines of some type may be in order. As I pondered which type of oxygenation-enhancing chemicals would be best, if further occurred to me that the effects would be unsatisfactorily temporary if they were administered in the traditional ways. I fear that taking up smoking - even to deliver the oxygenation enhancer - would be counter-indicated, so what about some variant of an insulin pump?

    I'm inadequately familiar with the mechanisms of amphetamine delivery to posit their compatibility with such a pump and leave this interface analysis to more qualified MDs. However, the benefits of a continuously-elevated, non exertion-dependent heart rate cannot be misunderestimated.

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    There is a direct relationship between the amount of Coors Light I drink and the number of times I blame the cat for passing wind in front of my wife.
    According to my wife this causes mental anti-aging.....

    Sorry for the crossover, even though I begrudgingly admit I am getting a hell of a kick out of watching President Trump stir the pot. I still think his hair is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    As a result of the marathon event. Do you understand now?
    Whoa. Yes, now I understand. Thank you. That is crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by z3nrunn3r View Post
    Sorry for the crossover, even though I begrudgingly admit I am getting a hell of a kick out of watching President Trump stir the pot. I still think his hair is ridiculous.
    Yeah, but I listened to some of his speech to congress, he said some good stuff, I wish we had someone like him over here, Australia even though we have now had 2 years conservative government they still cannot get over the mess that the socialists and greens put us through previously.

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