This stupid bullshit will continue until Women decide to make it stop.

[Brodie Butland]

Reiterating one of the fundamental axioms of Liberalism: All persons are created equal.

Oh, that liberal Thomas Jefferson!

So the mere fact that all persons are obviously not equal is PROOF-POSITIVE that the less successful group has been cheated or exploited.
By logical extension, this means that the more successful group must be evil, or at least the willing beneficiaries of evil, because cheating and exploiting others is evil...right ?
Shouting down, insulting, and all forms of "reverse-discrimination" against the successful group is therefore justified...because they are evil...right ?
You don't discuss things with evil. You just destroy evil...because they deserve it.

This rule can be applied to virtually every liberal/conservative split on every issue.

No, it can be applied to virtually every Leftist/non-Leftist split on every issue. Do not confuse liberalism with The Left--they are not the same. Just like The Right is not the same as conservatism.

Leftists believe in equality of outcome; liberals believe in equality of opportunity. Leftists riot when Milo Yiannopoulos tries to speak at Berkeley; liberals are pissed off by the rioting because they're then forced to defend Milo Yiannopoulos.

As Dennis Prager put it, there are honorable liberals, but there are no honorable leftists.

[Matthew_888]

She seems to have an excellent grasp of the situation.

In the beginning was nature. The background from which and against our ideas of God were formed, nature remains the supreme moral problem. We cannot hope to understand sex and gender until we clarify our attitude toward nature. Sex is a subset to nature. Sex is the natural in man.

[...]

Sexuality and eroticism are the intricate intersection of nature and culture. Feminists grossly oversimplify the problem of sex when they reduce it a matter of social convention: readjust society, eliminate sexual inequality, purify sex roles, and happiness and harmony will reign. Here feminism, like all liberal movements of the past two hundred years, is heir to Rousseau.

[...]

Feminism has exceeded its proper mission of seeking political equality for women and has ended by rejecting contingency, that is, human limitation by nature or fate.

Camille Paglia, Sexual Personae: Art and Decadence from Nefertiti to Emily Dickinson (1990)

Let's get rid of Infirmary Feminism, with its bedlam of bellyachers, anorexics, bulimics, depressives, rape victims, and incest survivors. Feminism has become a catch-all vegetable drawer where bunches of clingy sob sisters can store their moldy neuroses.

The Quotable Bitch: Women Who Tell It Like It Really Is (2007)

[Mark Rippetoe]

If someone believes that transgendered individuals shouldn't be treated as equal to cisgendered people, it's unlikely they also think that trans women should be allowed to compete in women's divisions.

Finally, we arrive at the germ of the situation. If by "equal" you mean that transgendered people are entitled to be treated the same way under the law, and be treated with the respect their conduct merits, just like every other human being, you are correct. If by "equal" you mean that they are the same as "cisgendered" people physiologically and therefore physically, we have arrived at objective reality, and you are objectively wrong.

[Crom]

Oh, that liberal Thomas Jefferson!

Excuse me for being imprecise with my language.

The liberalism I refer to is "Modern Liberalism", as most clearly explained in this video
HERITAGE FOUNDATION: "How Modern Liberals Think" - YouTube

The liberalism of Thomas Jefferson is indeed "classic liberalism", as defined by wikipedia:
Classical liberalism - Wikipedia

I know this causes confusion, especially on international forums, because many people think of liberalism as "classical liberalism", which you will note is virtually identical with the modern definition of "conservatism" in America.
Since America was founded upon "classical liberalism" it seems like an "old idea" to many naive Americans, who now associate "liberalism" with merely "socialist" ideas.
Those "old thinkers" who still adhere to America's founding principles, are now considered "Conservative"...as in "conserving the old ways".

Dos this clarify ?

[tfranc]

Reiterating one of the fundamental axioms of Liberalism: All persons are created equal. So the mere fact that all persons are obviously not equal is PROOF-POSITIVE that the less successful group has been cheated or exploited.
By logical extension, this means that the more successful group must be evil, or at least the willing beneficiaries of evil, because cheating and exploiting others is evil...right ?
Shouting down, insulting, and all forms of "reverse-discrimination" against the successful group is therefore justified...because they are evil...right ?
You don't discuss things with evil. You just destroy evil...because they deserve it.

This rule can be applied to virtually every liberal/conservative split on every issue.

What you've basically described is that whiny kid in grade school that feels cheated and cries "no fair!" all the time. You know, the one who wines and bitches when he has to wait for the drinking fountain. Fascinating. I've never looked at those individuals that way before.

Oh, that liberal Thomas Jefferson!

No, it can be applied to virtually every Leftist/non-Leftist split on every issue. Do not confuse liberalism with The Left--they are not the same. Just like The Right is not the same as conservatism.

Leftists believe in equality of outcome; liberals believe in equality of opportunity. Leftists riot when Milo Yiannopoulos tries to speak at Berkeley; liberals are pissed off by the rioting because they're then forced to defend Milo Yiannopoulos.

As Dennis Prager put it, there are honorable liberals, but there are no honorable leftists.

I really appreciate this post. Most of my ideals tend to lean liberal, but I hate identifying with the left. I would say there is a place for libertarian ideals in liberalism, the combination being something I identify with. Perhaps that's just the classic liberalism you and Crom are talking about. This clears up a lot of the confusion, thanks.

Maybe this is why America is so divided these days. A liberal and a conservative can both agree that MTF is obviously not the same thing as someone born a woman. A leftist and a conservative cannot, because the former is, well, you can fill in the blank.

[thedude47111]

Leftists riot when Milo Yiannopoulos tries to speak at Berkeley; liberals are pissed off by the rioting because they're then forced to defend Milo Yiannopolous.

It's not as simple as you're saying it is. Many leftists despised the riots too and many liberals support them. I'm a person of the left and I have been surprised by how many people who are politically Liberal support punching "Nazis" in the face. From what I can tell, it's the majority of liberals. People who say they're leftists are divided. There is a leftist free speech tradition which the ACLU fights for. Also, I think quoting Dennis Prager is beneath you.

[PizzaDad]

The Olympics will never be the same.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/fi...2011_Final.pdf

https://stillmed.olympic.org/Documen...ogenism-en.pdf

How long until everyone gets a trophy?

It's amazing that so many women (and men) have invested nearly their entire professional lives to build up women's sports programs and they are sitting back saying nothing, for fear of retribution, as their life's work is being dismantled.

[BenjaminFeldman]

She seems to have an excellent grasp of the situation.

Not really. Her argument is that to be a real woman you must have been born as a woman, because only person being born as a woman
has suffered from sexual harassment and violence, and discrimination (by men):

See this this audiovisual time waster with her:

[tbennett]

Finally, we arrive at the germ of the situation. If by "equal" you mean that transgendered people are entitled to be treated the same way under the law, and be treated with the respect their conduct merits, just like every other human being, you are correct. If by "equal" you mean that they are the same as "cisgendered" people physiologically and therefore physically, we have arrived at objective reality, and you are objectively wrong.

I remember reading "A Wrinkle in Time" as a kid, and it's notable that even in a kids' 60's sci-fi book, the main force of evil proclaimed as its signature victory and appeal that "all of us are alike," to which the heroine had the insight to challenge the Evil Brain (tm) and say "Alike and equal are NOT the same thing at all."

[silachoo]

Leftists believe in equality of outcome; liberals believe in equality of opportunity. Leftists riot when Milo Yiannopoulos tries to speak at Berkeley; liberals are pissed off by the rioting because they're then forced to defend Milo Yiannopoulos.

As Dennis Prager put it, there are honorable liberals, but there are no honorable leftists.

Damn well put.