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    Quote Originally Posted by cfreetenor View Post
    Why would he even post here if he's just going to argue with you? I don't think "do you think Mark Rippetoe is wrong" is an unfair or surprising qualifying question for people looking to post on a forum for people looking for guidance from Mark Rippetoe.
    There are plenty of people that disagree with Mark in one way or another who do so without being douchey about it. Making faith in Dear Leader a requisite to posting doesn't really seem like the style for this community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfreetenor View Post
    Why would he even post here if he's just going to argue with you? I don't think "do you think Mark Rippetoe is wrong" is an unfair or surprising qualifying question for people looking to post on a forum for people looking for guidance from Mark Rippetoe.
    I can be wrong, and I have been wrong many times. When I am, I admit it and I correct it. Thus, the three editions of the books, along with dozens of minor revisions you have not noticed. But when a little turd like Rashid demands a detailed accounting of my training history after it's already been discussed many times for the past 10 years -- like I'm lying about something -- it pisses me off. I don't owe Rashid or any of these other assholes a single goddamn thing, because this shit is free. So far. It either makes sense, or it doesn't, and if they can't form a logical refutation other that to post a picture of some guy doing something somewhere sometime, I win. And even that doesn't matter, because I don't care about the 3000 people in the US that do 90/120 at Olympic weightlifting meets on Saturday 4 times a year. I care about everybody else that doesn't already know how the best in the world do this shit, and therefore how it must be done, and will therefore continue to do 90/120 with "perfect technique" for the rest of their time in the gym.

    See? Mistake.

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    As a millennial, I find it pertinent to remind helpful and frustrated outsiders to my generation that most of us are clinically narcissistic. It doesn't matter the subject we talk about.

    Sadly it probably won't be someone older and wiser than him who humbles him, it will be a strong young man wise enough to follow your programming who steals his girl or takes first in every meet he goes to. That's just how things tend to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    I can be wrong, and I have been wrong many times. When I am, I admit it and I correct it. Thus, the three editions of the books, along with dozens of minor revisions you have not noticed. But when a little turd like Rashid demands a detailed accounting of my training history after it's already been discussed many times for the past 10 years -- like I'm lying about something -- it pisses me off. I don't owe Rashid or any of these other assholes a single goddamn thing, because this shit is free. So far. It either makes sense, or it doesn't, and if they can't form a logical refutation other that to post a picture of some guy doing something somewhere sometime, I win. And even that doesn't matter, because I don't care about the 3000 people in the US that do 90/120 at Olympic weightlifting meets on Saturday 4 times a year. I care about everybody else that doesn't already know how the best in the world do this shit, and therefore how it must be done, and will therefore continue to do 90/120 with "perfect technique" for the rest of their time in the gym.

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    And that's why the site should remain free. The books are already required reading and they should remain "locked behind a paywall", because free advice does not hold any value. You taught me that through this site and that's advice I took to heart (at the risk of being chewed up for my ignorance, thus not in itself free). Ban Rashid or anyone else if you feel it necessary; that remains your prerogative. But to punish everyone who behaves and is willing to learn for the actions of a few shitheads would be wrong, Coach. And I don't have a gun to help me stand up for myself, so all I could do in response would be to sulk. Between sulking and banning some, ahem, undesirables, I'd rather you do the latter. But not me; don't ban me.

    I'm not really sure the site was ever "free", though. Already people have to register accounts in order to post, so anonymous trolling from people with no accounts can't occur. But people just make several accounts and/or troll regardless. There's also the element of accountability implicit in posting on your forum. People's stupidity can come back to bite them in the ass, so the cost of posting is the risk that people will take issue with your statements and call you gay. Then there's the fact that not everybody internalises the same information in a way that leads to a coherent understanding of a given subject, such that they're arguably wasting their time even trying. Adding a monetary incentive to stay on the site wouldn't add anything of value, ironically, to this list. People would just pay for a month or whatever, troll, get banned, and leave to go on to the next thing. And you can turn around and say "yes, but they'll be gone", but then you'd have to be incredibly naïeve to believe so. Trolling is a fact of life and Internet interation; anything that garners a certain level of attention is going to get trolls and paywalls don't prevent that. What's 5 bucks to go and troll "the mighty Rippetoe"? They'd probably make memes about it along the lines of "the cost to register: 5 minutes, 5 dollars; the cost to troll a bunch of idiots online: 3 new threads, 7 posts; the reactions: priceless" or whatever, and then you might as well invite them to come troll your board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    See? Mistake.
    I would pay.

    Do it, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rashid29 View Post
    The squat must be trained to improve. This involves manipulating the volume and intensity and setting pr's over time. Funny enough, the snatch must also be trained to improve. You must do more volume/intensity over time, as well as improve your general strength over time.



    So you think that your "power production genetics" limited you to a snatch that is both 30% of your squat and 82.5kg?
    Even today, Rip is quite a bit stronger than I am, let alone his lifetime PRs in the squat and deadlift far exceed mine. I have never seen Rip jump, but I will take him at his word that he is not a gifted jumper. That said, I have a fairly decent vertical jump, which I would assume Rip would attest to. After about a month of dorking around with Olympic lifting training, I was able to split snatch 93kg fairly easily. I got bored and went back to powerlifting. Despite Rip's greater size and strength, my "explosiveness", if you want to call it that, made me able to better express my strength into power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfreetenor View Post
    As a millennial, I find it pertinent to remind helpful and frustrated outsiders to my generation that most of us are clinically narcissistic. It doesn't matter the subject we talk about.

    Sadly it probably won't be someone older and wiser than him who humbles him, it will be a strong young man wise enough to follow your programming who steals his girl or takes first in every meet he goes to. That's just how things tend to work.
    Or a near death experience, perhaps. What happens to society when an entire generation of people is this messed up? I encounter them not infrequently. They are the ones who demand they are sick and have already found someone who will prescribe them large amounts of narcotics and benzos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pluripotent View Post
    Or a near death experience, perhaps. What happens to society when an entire generation of people is this messed up? I encounter them not infrequently. They are the ones who demand they are sick and have already found someone who will prescribe them large amounts of narcotics and benzos.
    There is so much more to it. I actually blame us less for the drug problems than I do for everything else, though, but I have a unique perspective on that. I've not been drunk or high for nearly a few years now, and in retrospect I am sharply reminded of the thought and behavior patterns of an addict when I see a typical millennial on about anything. Politics and social issues, Tumblr, music, anything that they feel sufficiently drawn to is where this behavior manifests.

    Part of what gives me purpose in life is not allowing my millennial friends to get away with any bullshit around me without an argument. Some are capable of being reasonable, the trick is to demonstrate to them that they can continue to be reasonable even when the topic changes. It is very difficult for most. The average millennial today is a mosaic of emotional hot spots - "triggers."

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfreetenor View Post
    There is so much more to it. I actually blame us less for the drug problems than I do for everything else, though, but I have a unique perspective on that. I've not been drunk or high for nearly a few years now, and in retrospect I am sharply reminded of the thought and behavior patterns of an addict when I see a typical millennial on about anything. Politics and social issues, Tumblr, music, anything that they feel sufficiently drawn to is where this behavior manifests.

    Part of what gives me purpose in life is not allowing my millennial friends to get away with any bullshit around me without an argument. Some are capable of being reasonable, the trick is to demonstrate to them that they can continue to be reasonable even when the topic changes. It is very difficult for most. The average millennial today is a mosaic of emotional hot spots - "triggers."
    Near death experience, then.

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    The discussions on the millenial generation always inevitably end up being profoundly shallow. At its very core, the conclusion seems to be that parenting has gone awry and the millenials are spoilt. Yet hardly anyone, if anyone at all, is willing to mention computers by name. It's true that smartphones have an impact on many of the very young, but that's only really been a recent development. Instead, you have a bunch of already spoilt 10 year olds with full access to computers in the early 2000s who can just conjure up Internet porn with the click of a button. And while that last part may not seem so bad, contrast every single activity of 10 years olds in the 70s with that of 10 year olds in the 2000s. Both groups of kids experienced completely different upbringings, due only to this one key difference. So while before in the 70s only the spoilt kids got everything they wanted, now every single kid in the western world is getting everything they want in mere seconds of determining they want it. And when the stuff you want is "free" (as far as you know) and never at the cost of anything on your end or the other person's end, why wouldn't you conclude that you're entitled to everything you want? That's been your whole life up to now anyway.

    There's a lot more to it, of course. Bad parenting is only one more key difference (think participation trophees and "doing your best is good enough" which leads kids to merely saying they did their best instead of actually doing their best), but there's only the Internet's revolution in information communication. Aside from the preceding, information now travels at the speed of light, only impeded by your ability to think it up and type it out. Before, it was TV and radio, aeroplane and train, horse and cart, writing, and oral delivery. In today's times, everything is happening now now now, contrasted with the past where information related events that happened in the past. But now you get protests that are streamed live; really live, not just TV live. And people realise that. People need to adapt their attention spans to where they can actually process things quickly enough to move on to the next one (which inevitably leads to poor processing of information as no-one can just process information in 5 minutes and be done with the subject matter). So staying in the loop not only makes you "cool", but you're also in the (k)now, allowing you to make decisions on how to act on the fly, leading to greater impulsive behaviour and less forward thinking. Add to that the fact that information can be stored indefinitely and you get a bunch of short attention spans that literally forget the things they've processed just days ago, safe in the knowledge that anything they saw online, they can look up again at anytime, thus removing the need to remember not to forget.

    Ironically, then, the millenial generation is perhaps the one generation facing the biggest challenge of all. In having literally all challenge removed from their upbringing and surroundings, they inevitably yet cheerfully skip their way to a 50-foot wall they are wholly unprepared to climb. This challenge is, of course, being a person. Persons more or less embody the complete opposite of what the digital age represents. Persons have to remember crucial information, they have to stay alert for prolonged periods of time (work, family events, school, funerals, ...), they have to be able to actually do things because their livelihood depends on it (thus implying the need to remember not to forget again, while also focusing on more profound emotions than being "cool"), and a host of other things. Becoming a person is something one does through activity in daily life, not through getting the latest scoop on CNN or scores of other news sites and social media bases. But when all you know is how to move through cyberspace, the real world becomes a place of estrangement and alienation, exemplified for instance in the gut reaction to film a street fight rather than break it up or get help.

    And this irony goes deeper than merely the lack of challenge leaving the millenial generation ill-prepared for challenge. In every single case where the millenial gets his or her character building from digital means, the millenial actually remains sorely lacking in every single one of the developments. By having access to search engines and encyclopedias and the shortened attention span necessary to process everything, the millenial is expected to know everything, yet knows close to nothing as everything learnt is easily forgotten. By getting what they want in cyberspace, they never learn what patience, pacing, or discipline is. Moreover, because the whole process of "getting your way" is trimmed down to mere seconds, the millenials never get to stop and consider whether or not what they want is actually something they really want. In this way, the value of the thing is again reduced, firstly because no challenge went into attaining it and secondly because the only reason for wanting the thing is wanting the thing, in itself an incredibly shallow motivation as well as a horrible tautology (brr). The ultimate irony, perhaps, is the fact that their online connectivity, their tool to enact change, is simultaneously their own downfall, their own Marxist chains that need to be broken in order to cull the living flower.

    In closing, however, it behooves us to be sympathetic to these challenges. To be sure, these hard times that the millenials endure were not so much chosen as they were forced upon them. Not only are these tools not of their making, but the bad parenting that usually accompanies these WMDs (themselves proxies for bad parenting) is also not something one chooses. While it is very true that continuing to misuse their tools is a choice one makes, we shouldn't forget that the millenials are trained to be unpersonable from a very young age, unlike persons who already matured and so know better how to deal with these tools. Perhaps the worst element in all this, too, is that the only millenials who will ever stop to consider this great line of irony are those who have already considered it, and realise that this idea is almost incommunicable to those who disagree on the outset, making the millenials' biggest threat themselves as Mr. Tenor has already said. There's probably a few more paragraphs to this, but I don't want to over-indulge (too much).

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