With respect, it seems to me that guni had the right idea - weightlifting needs a feeder system, and with the ubiquity of football in America, it might be the best feeder system available. Then again, the recent CF/USAW event in CoSpgs might work pretty well, too.
Last edited by Dave_Allen; 10-05-2010 at 05:43 AM.
Reason: Gonna just STFU and go squat something.
No, but the US college sports scholarship system does. The lack of weightlifting scholarships at the university level would almost inevitably have the effect of driving young, strong, athletic girls towards sports which do offer scholarships (basketball, track & field ect.)
Originally Posted by msingh
It's only a partial solution, the cream of the genetic crop is still going to get drafted to the NFL (but there's probably still some considerable talent in the leftovers).
Originally Posted by Dave_Allen
A proper university driven scholarship feeder program would no doubt have a positive effect on the talent of American female weightlifters.
I don't actually think all the talent goes into the nfl, yes running backs with 50 inch verts would make good weightlifters, however some people like pat mendes for example may have good strength ability, speed, size, mental toughness ect but may be a crap footballer no skill, can't throw, run well or have aspirations to play football.
However whether what I said is right/wrong I don't know just guessing! However i think the main difference in US weightlifters between other countries is they are lazier, they have multiple off seasons where they do light swimming, go out, workout in fancy training halls. I remember Shane hammond saying they just let him work up in the squat- as if they weren't pushing him to the max. People like Shane know there are not many others like him in the country so he doesn't have to work his hardest due to people coming in, prove himself so he can get fed and accommodation, plus he already was fairly respected squatting a raw squat record ect, so mentally/sibconsiously there is less at stake if he doesn't do well, also at the back of everyone's mind is the fact they could retire when they want and set a gym and make some bucks, in Bulgaria things like that don't happen- most end up being alcoholics and can't take not having the competition, they are obsessives.
However there is another reason countries like the usa and commonwealth nations don't do as well is because we are more moral and have stricter testing ect, which probably has been mentioned before. Russia, Greece, Turkey, Eastern European countries are still as corrupt as shit and don't give a crap other than winning, in the US and England it is considered better to be a good sport than to win and cheat, boiling down to the traditional ideals of gentlemen ect within out cultures. Unrelated I still love the statistic that when the Georgia (Europe) police force went on strike the crime rate went down!
But on a more positive note you americans should all be grateful that overall in the olympics both winter and summer you both do quite well, swimming, skiing, rowing ect.
Last edited by Mark Rippetoe; 10-13-2010 at 05:57 PM.
Reason: merged posts
Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe
Do you know what the foreign athletes squat, bench, dead lift, and press compared to the American athletes?
I'm not as familiar with powerlifting.
Pat got offered a football scholarships, turned it down. Most wouldn't.
Originally Posted by beast
As far as I know US weightlifters are no less keen to win than any other athletes. I think it's far more likely that a relative lack of genetic talent, possibly combined with an inefficient coaching methodology is responsible, rather than it being the case the US athletes aren't willing to work as hard.
Originally Posted by beast
They are not lazier. Not at all. I have never meant to imply this. Their coaches are the problem.
You're right it was wrong of me to presume, how can I know if I haven't been there. To be honest I don't really know what I'm talking about (I'm not being sarcastic). So sorry guys for messing up the debate.