SS combined with swimming?

[tremorviolet]

I do SS and rowing. I've got to trade off: if I row more than twice a week, I can only manage two weight sessions a week. If I cut my rowing back, I can add an extra gym trip. (caveat, I also do Crossfit twice a week) Right now, I'm concentrating on rowing and I've pretty much stalled out on the gains I'm making at the gym.

[Ryan Dell Whitley]

What do world class swimmers do? Do they spend a lot of time lifting? I am asking because I don't know. However, SS, when done as prescribed, will make you gain weight and I don't know if that will be helpful in your sport.

[SmokingSnake]

I am not a native english speaker, actually it's not even my second language, have it your way, anerobics activity...
I am more then aware of how to schedule my swimming activities, I won't harm my powerlifting program, no 50M sprints etc.

My main goal is to swim for mid-length distances(2-3KM), mostly because it makes me feel good, I am no competetor.

@Ryan:
When I was on the swimming junior team we didn't use weights, you had swim workouts 6 days a week, some of them where with different goals, for example there would be leg workouts or sprint workouts with extra gear.
I am almost certain the adults where using lifts along side the swimming workouts, but I swam on a very different schedule then them so I am not sure what kind of workout they used... maybe someone here knows a bit more about that one

[FatButWeak]

Smoking: My post was not an attack on your language skills, but a comment and encouragement on your thought processes. Like swimming mid-length distances to you, snorting pure cocaine "makes me feel good." However, like swimming mid-length distances, snorting cocaine does not help and probably hurts my strength training.

Sometimes, goals are incompatible, sometimes they are not. Long slow distance work, either in the pool, on the road or anywhere else, is generally not helpful to developing strength and or power. At best it is irrelvant.

[SmokingSnake]

well, getting stronger is not always getting healthy too, I mean eating so much and gaining weights and basically being very fat, say an adult 1.85 male could weight like 105KG easily with the diet required, and I know lots who are doing texas method which are lots bigger... I would love to be able to run 500 meters without passing out and stay healthy along side getting strong


I am sure some would disagree, but well, my anerobics and swimming detiriorated badly in the last couple of months

[FatButWeak]

(sigh) You are confusing yourself again.

"Getting stronger" is always healthy. But eating too much and getting fat is different from getting strong; one does not necessarilynhave to include the other, even if there is frequently some overlap or inclusion. Improving your marathon time is not always healthy, either [it breaks down your joints, teaches your body to run on fat as a fuel, and (research is now showing) causes heart disease - anecdotally see http://www.active.com/running/Articl...ck_factors.htm ] This is not a productive way to think about the world. It is also a logical fallacy called a "False Dichotomy"

You do not have to become obese and "unhealthy" to get stronger. Do not set that sort of black and white paradigm for yourself.

If your swimming and long slow distance work deteriorated while doing SS that's because you were working different muscles and a differnt energy system. Period. It's not making you sicker or "less fit" or whatever metric you want to use. Its just different.

If running 1500 meters is a priority to you, then intelligently program running 1500 meters into your training schedule. Just do not expect it to have no effect on your strength gains.

[franklie]

(sigh) You are confusing yourself again.

"Getting stronger" is always healthy. But eating too much and getting fat is different from getting strong; one does not necessarilynhave to include the other, even if there is frequently some overlap or inclusion. Improving your marathon time is not always healthy, either [it breaks down your joints, teaches your body to run on fat as a fuel, and (research is now showing) causes heart disease - anecdotally see http://www.active.com/running/Articl...ck_factors.htm ] This is not a productive way to think about the world. It is also a logical fallacy called a "False Dichotomy"

You do not have to become obese and "unhealthy" to get stronger. Do not set that sort of black and white paradigm for yourself.

If your swimming and long slow distance work deteriorated while doing SS that's because you were working different muscles and a differnt energy system. Period. It's not making you sicker or "less fit" or whatever metric you want to use. Its just different.

If running 1500 meters is a priority to you, then intelligently program running 1500 meters into your training schedule. Just do not expect it to have no effect on your strength gains.

Smokingsnake might want to try Tabata training for his swimming (Google 'Tabata Training'). that might be more compatible with his weightlifting. it improves both aerobic and anaerobic components of conditioning.

Also there was the Starting Strength program that utilised conditioning from Wichita Falls which might be appropriate for Smokingsnake as well.

[SmokingSnake]

(sigh) You are confusing yourself again.

"Getting stronger" is always healthy. But eating too much and getting fat is different from getting strong; one does not necessarilynhave to include the other, even if there is frequently some overlap or inclusion. Improving your marathon time is not always healthy, either [it breaks down your joints, teaches your body to run on fat as a fuel, and (research is now showing) causes heart disease - anecdotally see http://www.active.com/running/Articl...ck_factors.htm ] This is not a productive way to think about the world. It is also a logical fallacy called a "False Dichotomy"

You do not have to become obese and "unhealthy" to get stronger. Do not set that sort of black and white paradigm for yourself.

If your swimming and long slow distance work deteriorated while doing SS that's because you were working different muscles and a differnt energy system. Period. It's not making you sicker or "less fit" or whatever metric you want to use. Its just different.

If running 1500 meters is a priority to you, then intelligently program running 1500 meters into your training schedule. Just do not expect it to have no effect on your strength gains.

I appreciate your insight really do, I am kind of new to weighted activities(less then 1 year, in which I haven't squatted for the first 6 months nor deadlifted because of the "pro's" in my local gym which are fitness fanatics... thank god for coming across with SS)

Anyways I am not really dealing with my diet, I just eat 6 times a day, 4 big meals of like 900 calories and 2 more meals which I eat mainly to get my 40 grams of protein and make it to 2 grams per 1 kilo of bw from solid food not considering the milk... my diet is like 4-4.5K calories a day without junk food(maybe a hamburger and fries every second day), I like it that way I don't mind the fat, that is the fastest way to get bigger and stronger


I just saw the last "roundtable" video concerning tall people and they spoke of how it can be unhealthy, but I guess they considered professional lifters there and that's a thousand miles away from me.

I will re-think this whole issue, I am still really weak and far away from my potential, maybe do some intervals just to keep my lungs working a bit.