Republican Primaries

[DrRuffleburg]

One stat that always cracked me up was the one that said smoking a joint had a greater affect on increasing cancer rates than smoking one cigarette. Most people I know that smoke, smoke about 1-2 packs a day (there are those that smoke "only when they drink", but they seem to be the minority). I can't imagine what someone would be like after smoking 20 -40 joints a day for a month.

I don't think I've ever heard an argument in favor of prohibition that couldn't be dismantled with the smallest amount of logic or common sense.

[matclone]

I don't think I've ever heard an argument in favor of prohibition that couldn't be dismantled with the smallest amount of logic or common sense.

Since no one here has proposed anything resembling prohibition, your argument should be fairly easy.

[matclone]

weed needs to be legal to get it out of organized crime- maybe some bio mass uses, less stigma at concerts. But it will still be a public health problem- and you'll have new issues from more widespread use. Its green cigarettes. I know enough pot heads to not need a study to conclude that we will have new health issues if more people smoke more pot. A little sad since cigarettes are starting to disappear.

Glad one person agrees it would be a public health issue. And, yes, sad, given that the number of cigarette smokers are down.

A good high school friend of mine never even made it to age 45 (lung cancer). He was one of the first regular cigarette smokers of my age that I knew, then when pot came around, he smoked that as much as he could too.

[solfish]

Pot is not a public health issue at all. It's already de facto legal in Cali and they haven't had any problems that I know of. The only dangerous thing about pot smoking is that it leads some people to eat entirely too much ice cream/doritos/pizza and obesity IS a public health issue. Think of the number of elite athletes that partake. Ricky Williams smoked so much he got kicked out of the NFL for 2 years, after testing positive like 4 times in a row. He would have had a shot at the Hall of Fame if he hadn't lost those 2 years and is pretty much the definition of a beast.

Jamie is right. It is physically impossible for anyone except Snoop Dogg to smoke enough to hurt your lungs very much. Your average cigarette is 1 gram. A 1 gram blunt will get 4 people plenty high. When I smoked on the reg, I smoked about .5 grams a day. 1 gram to the face/day is getting into serious pothead territory. 2 grams/day is permastoned Cheech & Chong level shit. So even a very heavy user is only smoking 1/10th the shit a pack-a-day nicotine addict smokes and people with jobs that prevent them from being stoned all fucking day smoke about 1/20th the amount.

Fix yo logicz

[matclone]

"[Cali hasn't] had any problems"
"it is physically impossible...to smoke enough [cannabis] to hurt your lungs very much"
"Pot is not a public health issue at all"

In denial. It's been my experience, when this issue of public health arises, a great number of people go the denial route rather than making rational arguments as to why cannabis should be legalized or decriminalized.

I was going to mention Ricky Williams as evidence of lowered productively. At one point, I belive he basically said he's rather smoke pot than play football. He later changed his mind but lost two years of his prime.

[Jamie J. Skibicki]

Well, you can't OD on pot. You can on every other recreational drug other than nicotine.

"He later changed his mind but lost two years of his prime"
I thought he lost two years because of being banned for smoking pot, not because he decided to smoke pot instead of train for and play football.

[matclone]

"He later changed his mind but lost two years of his prime"
I thought he lost two years because of being banned for smoking pot, not because he decided to smoke pot instead of train for and play football.

He "retired" from football rather than sit out a suspension.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_W..._from_football


See Williams' comments at footnote #6:

"At that point in my life, I had no idea what I was doing. I was a good football player, I had all this money and all these things, but I had no mission, I had no drive, I had no purpose in life. No matter who you are or what you're doing, unless you have a purpose in life your life isn't worth anything. You're just floating. You're not doing anything."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_W...koInterview1-5


To me that is a classic expression of lethargy, of the sort often found in cannabis users. Of course, I cannot say with certainty why he said this, cause I don't know him, but I think it's a reasonable inference that his drug use had something to do with it.

[Jamie J. Skibicki]

Williams has also said the weed dulls the pain from playing football and his anxiety, so would he have gotten to where he was without smoking?

[bowdirk]

In denial. It's been my experience, when this issue of public health arises, a great number of people go the denial route rather than making rational arguments as to why cannabis should be legalized or decriminalized.

Because you and the people who bring up public health issues are just making shit up!

Fundamentally, it is none of your fucking business what I or anyone else does unless I am putting others at risk.

You aren't interested in the reality of Pot smoking and it's effects on the individuals and society as a whole, if you were interested and had done your homework, you would not take the position you are.

The only ones who think Pot should be illegal are either brainwashed, religous zealots, or make money off of the prohibition.

[DoctorWho]

Because you and the people who bring up public health issues are just making shit up!

Fundamentally, it is none of your fucking business what I or anyone else does unless I am putting others at risk.

You aren't interested in the reality of Pot smoking and it's effects on the individuals and society as a whole, if you were interested and had done your homework, you would not take the position you are.

The only ones who think Pot should be illegal are either brainwashed, religous zealots, or make money off of the prohibition.

You forgot small-minded, nanny-statist for whom no individual choice cannot be legislated in or out.