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[Simma Park]

That would assume that humor and racism static and not dynamic.

Whereas yours assumes that racism in Texas = racism all over the Internet. Your point?

[mstrofbass]

Whereas yours assumes that racism in Texas = racism all over the Internet. Your point?

No, it just assumes that the incidence of racism is higher in Texas.

[Simma Park]

If you want to paraphrase me when I leave open the fact that it is an arguable point, don't make it sound like I stated it as an absolute.

Fine. Any statement or claim attributed to mstrofbass is to be considered a point of view which he considers fallible, and any disclaimer-free incidence of representation of his arguments is to be considered disclaimer-free merely for the sake of efficiency of communication.

[mstrofbass]

Fine. Any statement or claim attributed to mstrofbass is to be considered a point of view which he considers fallible, and any disclaimer-free incidence of representation of his arguments is to be considered disclaimer-free merely for the sake of efficiency of communication.

That's not true at all, either. There are plenty of my viewpoints that I don't consider to be arguable.

[Simma Park]

No, it just assumes that the incidence of racism is higher in Texas.

You might consider that, if you're actually swimming in a thick pea soup of racism, you might not recognize anything but the most egregious examples of racism since regular old racism is just background noise.

I don't think this is true, because I am not convinced that Texas is uniquely racist. But since you are convinced it is, you might consider this.

[Simma Park]

That's not true at all, either. There are plenty of my viewpoints that I don't consider to be arguable.

Any statement or claim attributed to mstrofbass which regards judging racist intent of the watermelon/Obama meme within the limits of this thread is to be considered a point of view which he considers fallible, and any disclaimer-free incidence of representation of his arguments is to be considered disclaimer-free merely for the sake of efficiency of communication.

If you don't like that, draft something yourself, and I'll initial it.

[mstrofbass]

Any statement or claim attributed to mstrofbass which regards judging racist intent of the watermelon/Obama meme within the limits of this thread is to be considered a point of view which he considers fallible, and any disclaimer-free incidence of representation of his arguments is to be considered disclaimer-free merely for the sake of efficiency of communication.

If you don't like that, draft something yourself, and I'll initial it.

Or just paraphrase me properly. It's just like when you tell someone "you're fatter than so-and-so" and then they accuse you of calling them fat. (That's one of my favorite logical failures. I'll spot it almost every time.)

[mstrofbass]

You might consider that, if you're actually swimming in a thick pea soup of racism, you might not recognize anything but the most egregious examples of racism since regular old racism is just background noise.

I don't think this is true, because I am not convinced that Texas is uniquely racist. But since you are convinced it is, you might consider this.

Again, you're making my words more extreme than they were, because it's easier to argue against extreme positions. You're better than this, spar.

[Simma Park]

Again, you're making my words more extreme than they were, because it's easier to argue against extreme positions. You're better than this, spar.

So what you're saying when you say things like this:

Why is this so hard for you to fucking grasp? You seem to think that when it comes to making jokes about blacks and watermelons, most people are being racist. I'm pointing out that, if that were the case, it should be obvious in a place that's not known for it's progressive views on race, but it's not.

is that you are not asserting that Texas is uniquely racist. It is just known for being uniquely racist.

If it's just known for being uniquely racist (by some unspecified party/parties), then how are we to supposed to take your opinions, which are predicated on the value of your perceptions as a Texas resident, at all seriously? You're not even committing to the point that Texas is uniquely racist (which is something I, personally, do not believe can be proved). The fact that you think some people somewhere consider Texas uniquely racist means absolutely nothing.

If I am making your words more extreme, it's because I'm trying to actually nail down something meaningful in what you're saying. I generally appreciate a desire to maintain nuance, but this goes far beyond that. It basically amounts to you making a senseless argument. Or a spineless one, perhaps. Often, the latter is the former.

[mstrofbass]

This:

if you're actually swimming in a thick pea soup of racism

does not equal

a place that's not known for it's progressive views on race

I never said it's "uniquely racist" (where the fuck do you get this shit?), I was merely pointing out the fact that Texas is generally considered to lean towards the more racist side of the gamut than a lot of other places. I'm starting to think that the shifting of arguments to extreme positions is pathological.