This is fucking disgusting

[Corrie]

I don't care who you support, what party or what ideology, whoever supports the actiosn of these police are not human.

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...0#.Tsk0IPKqLl1

What fucking good does it do to attack people who are sitting on the ground peacefully? All this is going to do is outrage more people and make the protests bigger.

How can you guys still consider yourselves free? I thought you had an allmighty constitution that protects you and your rights? Where did it go? Where are your rights now when speaking up gets you noxious chemicals sprayed directly into your eyes?

This has also been covered before and has precedent in the courts.

"...alleging that the officers' use of pepper spray on the activists' eyes and faces during three peaceful protests constituted an excessive use of force in violation of their Fourth Amendment rights." "...in light of Saucier v. Katz, 533 U.S. 194, 121 S.Ct. 2151, 150 L.Ed.2d 272 (2001), in which the Supreme Court describes the way in which to proceed when state officials assert qualified immunity in a §1983 excessive force action. Having reviewed the facts and circumstances of this case in light of Saucier, this panel reaffirms its conclusion that Lewis and Philip are not entitled to qualified immunity.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1332957.html

[Oldster]

My wife also thinks I'm not human. Most of the time.

This obviously clinches it.

[melody]

I don't care who you support, what party or what ideology, whoever supports the actiosn of these police are not human.

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...0#.Tsk0IPKqLl1

What fucking good does it do to attack people who are sitting on the ground peacefully? All this is going to do is outrage more people and make the protests bigger.

How can you guys still consider yourselves free? I thought you had an allmighty constitution that protects you and your rights? Where did it go? Where are your rights now when speaking up gets you noxious chemicals sprayed directly into your eyes?

This has also been covered before and has precedent in the courts.

the case you referenced happened in my hometown to girls I went to highschool with. The police in that case sprayed pepper spray into dixie cups, held the girls' heads back, and swabbed it into their eyes with q-tips. It was video taped.
I don't agree with the police's actions yesterday either, but I'm a big hippie.

[wes]

Crazy shit happens when you put people in a position of power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

[PaulBeech]

We all need to move to norway.

[DoctorWho]

Before getting emotional over the video (even though Norway does sound nice), I'd like to see what happened before the video. The whole idea of blocking something is to get arrested to highlight the injustice. So the objectionable thing here is the how, not the arrest itself.

[WildPegasus]

Well if pepper is good enough for my plate, it's good enough for some dirty hippies.

[R-Squared]

They were sitting in the quad, they were blocking the path but not stopping people from simply walking around them. The Chancellor declared them a public health & safety risk simply for being there. That resulted in the order for the cops to remove them, which it's been made quite clear from the video, could have been done without pepper spray, at least at that point.

Who knows what would have happened had the cops attempted to continue to remove them without the pepper spray, the protesters might have fought back and made themselves look bad, but we will never know, instead the cops jumped straight to excessive force and have made martyrs of them. Same deal with the Ray Lewis arrest earlier this week.

[Mark E. Hurling]

Our daughter told me about this yesterday. If you have people sitting down and refusing to get up, you encourage them to get up with pain compliance torque to the wrist or elbow. You don't even have to strain your back lifting them. You grab a hand, you either then bend a wrist inward and upward and the discomfort makes them happy to get their feet underneath them and stand up. Or you rotate the hand (the right one let's just say) counterclockwise so that the palm faces outward, then you get your other hand under their bent elbow and keep rotating as you slowly and gently lift. Same result as the wrist. It gets too uncomfortable to stay seated. Once they are on their feet, you frog march them off after they are cuffed. But spraying them while they are seated will not make it easier to get them off the deck. They'll just fall to one side writhing in pain.

Now understand, I have no problem with the pain compliance part of what I described in the joint locks, because it's controlled and gradual. But that spraying thing is just stupid. Because you then will have to use 2-3 cops to get them up when their own legs could have done the job just fine with one cop being used. This is another example of my beef over the use of "magic bullets" in law enforcement like pepper spray and tasers. A well trained cop doesn't need them. The training is expensive compared to the magic bullets though.

[DoctorWho]

They were sitting in the quad, they were blocking the path but not stopping people from simply walking around them. The Chancellor declared them a public health & safety risk simply for being there. That resulted in the order for the cops to remove them, which it's been made quite clear from the video, could have been done without pepper spray, at least at that point.

Who knows what would have happened had the cops attempted to continue to remove them without the pepper spray, the protesters might have fought back and made themselves look bad, but we will never know, instead the cops jumped straight to excessive force and have made martyrs of them. Same deal with the Ray Lewis arrest earlier this week.

The video does not makes it clear that they could have been removed without pepper spray or worse because it starts only with the pepper spray. You're right that it looks like they could have just been left alone and people could walk around them, which seems like a better solution. And you might be right that the police jumped right to pepper spray, but it's unknowable from the video.

Just off the top of my head, I recall seeing a protestor hip check an old guy from getting around him while the protestor screamed "hey get off of me", a woman put a wagon with one or two small kids in front of a building while protestors did the yelling and chanting, and then pulling the wagon away so she could yell about mistreatment of her kids, a woman (maybe he same woman) pull the wagon with kid(s) into the street while the protestors discussed blocking traffic. My point is not to stick up for the police. The original Land of the Free post shows pepper spraying of protestors behind a barricade, and I think there was no one who condoned it, including me. My point if that after so many incidents of trying hard to manufacture outrage, I am justified to be skeptical.

EDIT: It doesn't seem fair to edit my post above, but after reading Hurling's description, it seems to me that people should lose their jobs. I didn't understand that a cop could get someone to his feet by gradually increasing pain in a way that probably doesn't do permanent damage.