05-10-2012 04:52 PM
Well...205x1. 19 clean/press reps is enough. Tomorrow is max press day. Lol.
05-10-2012 07:12 PM
Originally Posted by sking1001
I agree 100% about doing overloads without a spotter. You never know what could happen, and the weight is over your max. You are doing really well with the boards, and I know you will be blasting up some big PR's in the near future! :-)
05-10-2012 07:15 PM
Not to start a shit-storm (I really don't want to), I interpreted the statement like Tom did. I am talking specifically about the being fat/strong not being a good thing. I do agree with what the majority is saying, lifting/health is a personal goal. One person might want to put a weight up at all costs, someone else might want to get stronger and work on running (for instance). I try to respect everyone else's goals, so I hope that they in turn respect mine.
05-10-2012 07:17 PM
That would still be missing the point.
05-10-2012 07:19 PM
05-10-2012 07:27 PM
I honestly think I missed the whole point then. I was trying to catch up on thread so maybe I missed something? If you could, please let me know what I missed! :-)
Originally Posted by f4thpathway
05-10-2012 07:38 PM
Biblically/Book of Mormonly speaking it has a different meaning than typically assigned to it.
But we'll allow for modern definitions. Hence the Wendler reference. All of this is vanity regardless of definition used. All of it.
The process of actually destroying your health powerlifter obsession style is the worst result possible. Again, see Wendler. That's outside of the ranting of a 22 year old who has not seen the world to know that the ancient Greek standard applies around the world and always has with the exception of times of severe economic hardship. Its not about perception or preference. It's about health and longevity and well being. And applied to the trade off. Hence the return.
Its the ultimate in vanity. Beyond anorexic brolys. Im not Catholic but adding to the Deadlies in pursuit of other Deadlies makes something doubly deadly. But that's back to the origin of vanity, not the modern definition.
It is what it is. Hence the mention of honesty. Which Joose understands. And admits to.
05-10-2012 07:50 PM
Ok, thanks for the explanation.
I'm sure there is vanity in all sorts of things, even outside lifting. We are human and make mistakes all the time. But if we are trying to avoid vanity, why try to be good at anything? If you play football, and are good at it, you make money, have some fame, and I'm sure there is some vanity there too. Same for powerlifting I suppose. Part of us (and only a part) wants to be strong for reasons that are not pure to the sport, but another part just wants to lift weights and compete.
05-10-2012 07:57 PM
Biblically speaking that begs the same issue of futility. But that's jesting with Joose. Using modern and more applicable definitions it is still all vanity. Which is why I used honesty. We should all be honest about this. None of us can look down on anyone or ride around on any high horse.
Most of my training centers around simply maintaining the ability to move. But I can do that at less than 1200. Beyond that it is all pride and vanity. And I openly admit that. I want to be better than others despite being disabled. I want to achieve what is actually impossible. Because in reality I shouldn't even be able to squat body weight. I have become exceptional to be exceptional. Not my 1600-1700 levels of my youth and healthy days. But far beyond the expected.
That's why we are here. It just happens to be more honorable than other pursuits of vanity. Unless you destroy your health.
05-10-2012 08:01 PM
"Everything in moderation, including moderation." Oscar Wilde
F4, could you lay down some knowledge of the Biblical meaning of "vanity?"
And we should be honest about everything all the time. Then maybe we wouldn't be in our current situation.