Raising deadlifts to make up for shit anthropometry

[simonsky]

Louie Simmons said that strength "radiates" 15 degrees up and down. i.e. rack pulls help off the floor not just because of weak point training

[Jamie J. Skibicki]

" With other lifts though, the distance the bar has to move is always proportional to the persons general size, whereas with the deadlift it is partly an absolute."

The deadlift is always proportional to the persons build as well. People with longer relative arms typically pull more than people with shorter relative arms.

"The amount of anger and hostility in this thread towards this is absolutely hilarious. It's like him pulling from 3-4 inches off the ground is the equivalent of him suggesting that a pack of bulls rape your mother and grandmother. Instead of discussing it rationally, you decide to kick and scream because he's not doing it your way."

There is no discussion about what a deadlift is, it has a definition and doing something out side of that definition is not fucking deadlifting no matter of what ever bitch ass excuse you have for doing it. I had no problem with his plan until he triesd to make the argument that he wasn't built for the deadlift so his deadlift should start a bit higher. At which point I wanted to rape his mom.

[cpbellavia]

A deadlift starts from the floor. A rack pull starts at some point above the floor.

These are pretty easy to understand definitions. Not sure why there's any debate.

[barnone]

" With other lifts though, the distance the bar has to move is always proportional to the persons general size, whereas with the deadlift it is partly an absolute."

The deadlift is always proportional to the persons build as well. People with longer relative arms typically pull more than people with shorter relative arms.

"The amount of anger and hostility in this thread towards this is absolutely hilarious. It's like him pulling from 3-4 inches off the ground is the equivalent of him suggesting that a pack of bulls rape your mother and grandmother. Instead of discussing it rationally, you decide to kick and scream because he's not doing it your way."

There is no discussion about what a deadlift is, it has a definition and doing something out side of that definition is not fucking deadlifting no matter of what ever bitch ass excuse you have for doing it. I had no problem with his plan until he triesd to make the argument that he wasn't built for the deadlift so his deadlift should start a bit higher. At which point I wanted to rape his mom.

There is nothing wrong with shortening the pull a few inches when you realize your body isn't built for pulling off the floor. A lot of strong short armed deadlifters use below the knee pulls to increase their deadlift.

[Trei]

There is no discussion about what a deadlift is, it has a definition and doing something out side of that definition is not fucking deadlifting no matter of what ever bitch ass excuse you have for doing it. I had no problem with his plan until he triesd to make the argument that he wasn't built for the deadlift so his deadlift should start a bit higher. At which point I wanted to rape his mom.

Interesting, because rereading the thread, he's fully admitted that it may very well not carry over, but he thinks that it might, and wants to give it a try. And not once did he refer to it as just a deadlift, but always as a raised deadlift.

And he's talking about for his own personal training. Who gives a fuck? As long as, when he talks to others, he clarifies that he's doing his pulls raised a bit, it doesn't matter. And, surprise, he has clarified, at least in this thread, every time he's referred to it. He's not competing, so it doesn't matter, as long as he's getting stronger. And doing this, as long as he progresses, he will. Will it have carryover to a regular deadlift? Not a clue, and no one in this thread can really say, because they don't know how training effects him. He may well be one of those people that does get stronger in his regular deads by doing rack pulls. Or he may not. It's worth experimenting to find out if that's the case.

Seriously, this is such a minor thing to get upset over that it's funny.

[barnone]

spot on Trei. SS produces some serious training nazis.

[AdamW]

" With other lifts though, the distance the bar has to move is always proportional to the persons general size, whereas with the deadlift it is partly an absolute."

The deadlift is always proportional to the persons build as well. People with longer relative arms typically pull more than people with shorter relative arms.

It is partially proportional but someone who is short and has long arms has to use his musculature through a much decreased range of motion on the exercise. There is of course the same sort of issues with every lift, but most significant in the deadlift. I'm not going to argue to change the definition, I'm not interested in that. I guess I'm mostly just interested in discussing what would make a lift "fair" to compare between people of all body types.

If someone is so short that their hip angle at the start of a deadlift is open more than 45 degrees for example, it's sort of shitty to compare that to someone who's hip angle is completely closed. It depends I guess on whether you want to look at it from the angle of just moving the bar from point A to point B (like a deadlift) or putting the musculature through a specific and defined range of motion (like a squat.)

In the deadlift, only the position of the bar at lockout is determined by the body of the lifter, whereas in a squat, the top AND bottom position of the bar (relative to space) is determined by the body of the lifter, because the hips have to break parallel, forcing everyone to use the same range of motion.

[Jamie J. Skibicki]

"And not once did he refer to it as just a deadlift, but always as a raised deadlift."

"these raised DLs are simply bringing me to what a NORMAL deadlift should look like."

A normal deadlift look like a bar starting from the ground.

[barnone]

"And not once did he refer to it as just a deadlift, but always as a raised deadlift."

"these raised DLs are simply bringing me to what a NORMAL deadlift should look like."

A normal deadlift look like a bar starting from the ground.

He is talking about his body being positioned, while doing a raised deadlift, in a way that resembles what a longer armed person looks like in a deadlift postion. Is it that hard to understand?

[Trei]

It's fairly obvious he's referring to his positioning/angles, and not where the bar is. He still didn't refer to his raised deadlift as anything but a raised deadlift.

Edit: And agreed, Bar. It's actually kind of funny, though.