Raising deadlifts to make up for shit anthropometry

[Jamie J. Skibicki]

"He is talking about his body being positioned, while doing a raised deadlift, in a way that resembles what a longer armed person looks like in a deadlift postion. Is it that hard to understand?"

Is it hard to understand that a deadlift starts from the ground? It doesn't matter what your anthropomorphy is, deadlifts start from the ground. If you want to train them raised, fine, but don't think that you are getting closer to what a deadlift should be.

[Trei]

And once again... PP never said it was a deadlift. Fuck.

[Tom Narvaez]

There is no such thing as a fair lift. The leverages are just too complex to ever equalize anything. When some people bench, their upper arms never even get to 90 degrees. Some people's upper arms drop below the bench height in order to touch. That engages musculature not even used by the shorter armed bencher. It is arguably more "unfair" than the deadlift conundrum. If you want to rack pull then rack pull. It just breaks a lot of tradition and makes your numbers incomparable to other people. I can't even relate to that because I'm ridiculously competitive but I could see the appeal for someone who only lifts for quality of life purposes. Although, a rack pull is not going to prepare you to pick things up off the ground as well as a deadlift will -- rounded or not.

[Brian Zahn]

I officially like this thread

[ColoWayno]

I'm going to start lifting with a raised bar but I'm not going to call them dead lifts. I'm calling them Jamie Lifts. Whose with me?

[barnone]

"He is talking about his body being positioned, while doing a raised deadlift, in a way that resembles what a longer armed person looks like in a deadlift postion. Is it that hard to understand?"

Is it hard to understand that a deadlift starts from the ground? It doesn't matter what your anthropomorphy is, deadlifts start from the ground. If you want to train them raised, fine, but don't think that you are getting closer to what a deadlift should be.

LOL he isnt saying deadlift, hes saying RAISED deadlift. As in, a deadlift from a raised position. You know, a bock pull, rack pull, pin pull, or whatever you want to call it. Your too busy getting butt hurt about proving what a deadlift is while were talking about RAISED deadlifts. Obviously if a deadlift is RAISED it isnt a regular deadlift. Your arguing a point that im not even making.

[barnone]

Although, a rack pull is not going to prepare you to pick things up off the ground as well as a deadlift will -- rounded or not.

You dont know this. Maybe for you its true, but you cant say with any certainty that this is true for the OP. Reducing the ROM by 4 inches for someone with alligator arms isn't the same as pulling at the knee for a gorilla armed lifter.

[Tom Narvaez]

You dont know this. Maybe for you its true, but you cant say with any certainty that this is true for the OP. Reducing the ROM by 4 inches for someone with alligator arms isn't the same as pulling at the knee for a gorilla armed lifter.

Your personal leverages don't change just because you aren't lifting something ergonomic. The "gorilla armed" lifter is still a "gorilla armed" lifter when he has to go pick up a big ass rock off the ground.

Look at how strongmen train. They incorporate deadlifts, of course, but they also use the actual implements. You get carryover from barbells, but it isn't perfect. Raising the height of the bar only further mitigates that carryover.

[PressesPeople]

" With other lifts though, the distance the bar has to move is always proportional to the persons general size, whereas with the deadlift it is partly an absolute."

The deadlift is always proportional to the persons build as well. People with longer relative arms typically pull more than people with shorter relative arms.

"The amount of anger and hostility in this thread towards this is absolutely hilarious. It's like him pulling from 3-4 inches off the ground is the equivalent of him suggesting that a pack of bulls rape your mother and grandmother. Instead of discussing it rationally, you decide to kick and scream because he's not doing it your way."

There is no discussion about what a deadlift is, it has a definition and doing something out side of that definition is not fucking deadlifting no matter of what ever bitch ass excuse you have for doing it. I had no problem with his plan until he triesd to make the argument that he wasn't built for the deadlift so his deadlift should start a bit higher. At which point I wanted to rape his mom.

FYI, note that I call them "raised deadlifts." Just out of curiousity, is a bench press that is not a dead-stop bench press, as used in competitions, not a bench press?

Also note, with my "raised deadlifts," the bar only starts at my mid-shin. Still, I imagine the reason you're getting so defensive is because the deadlift is probably your best lift, so when someone goes changing it to suit themselves better, you're afraid that it will dirty the authenticity of yours.

[PressesPeople]

It's because the deadlift is supposed to simulate lifting dead weight/objects off the ground. Objects don't adjust themselves to a particular height for the individual lifting them.

Ah fuck, how will I ever lift things that are lower than a standard height barbell then!??!! I guess I should start doing deficit deadlifts!!!


And guys (really just jamie and tom), i think it's important to note that I'm not concerned about the semantics of the deadlift. The ONLY reason I'm doing this is because I CANNOT increase my standard deadlift doing it the way I am currently. And how useful is my standard deadlift if I can't increase it?