Press Check

[Simma Park]

Press straight up. What worked for me was aiming forward of where I was doing before.

Well, OK, then JSK. Just ignore everything I said and press in a straight line, asshole. Why couldn't you just do that? WTF is your problem? Just aim forward. Never mind that you are someone who has a tendency to push the bar forward in the beginning anyway. Never mind that the bar path is long and that yours was not unidirectional. Just press forward, moron. In fact, the solution is so easy that I don't know why so many people have issues with bar path in the press.

If spar's username were something else would I be allowed to argue? Why don't you look at the arguments rather than the people. Or is this a forum where you simply follow popular people without thinking things through? I've heard of rippetoe's disciples but surely spar shoudn't have any? So spar, who do you coach? Are you an official coach or do you just show your friend Lisa down at the gym how to squat deeper?

Well, I guess Rip didn't know what the fuck he was doing when he trained and certified me. You should really take that up with him.

The bar is behind the dude's heel in the last video (or about there). I'm not the one who needs to swallow his pride and listen to the fucking arguments.

If you actually think the bar is BEHIND THE HEEL at the top, you're both blind and lacking in even the most basic personal experience with the Earth's gravitational force. From the last set:



He has a very common error, which is that he allows himself to get loose during the last part of the movement, once the hardest part is over, and that will usually cause the bar path to move to the rear. You can see on a lot of those reps exactly where he does that and the abrupt rearward slide of the bar path (much less extreme now that he's not starting the drive upward in as much of a forward direction). All he needs is someone to yell at him to stay "long" and tight and squeeze the bar.

Who is ignoring arguments? Who is saying that JSK's press is currently perfect? If you'd actually argue against shit people are saying instead of providing evidence that you're both blind and illiterate, you might have some credibility.

I were anyone else, would you just shut up? Probably. I kind of think you have some personal issues, here.

[Kregna]

'Well, I guess Rip didn't know what the fuck he was doing when he trained and certified me. You should really take that up with him.

Maybe he left loads of stuff out on purpose because he sees what a faggot you are.

But forreal. What do you think that actually means? Do you think that makes you right in all discussions vs people who haven't taken the SS coaching certification? Get fucking real. Your opinion on the round back deadlifting thread in mark's Q&A was the opposite of mark's (deload where he said increase anyway). Just sayin'. Why do you feel the need to jump to your mighty impressive credentials? What a desperate move by someone who can't have a proper discussion. Do you get into a lot of fights in real life (that means, outside of this forum)? Or are you just a sad, angry, little cunt on here?

'If you actually think the bar is BEHIND THE HEEL at the top, you're both blind and lacking in even the most basic personal experience with the Earth's gravitational force.'

I must be blind and have no experience with gravity? Do you talk like a retard in real life as well?
'The bar is behind the dude's heel in the last video (or about there).' is what I said. Or about there. Stop nitpicking you nerdfuck. Over the ankle joint, whatever. Behind where it should be.

'If you'd actually argue against shit people are saying instead of providing evidence that you're both blind and illiterate, you might have some credibility.
Do you ever feel like a fucking moron using hyperbole 24/7? P.S. all blind people are illiterate.

'I were anyone else, would you just shut up? Probably. I kind of think you have some personal issues, here.
Don't flatter yourself sweetheart. Like how stonerider put it when he said something like 'I don't think of you outside of this forum', I too do not care much about you. I would probably not be arguing with anyone else like this. But that's because no one else would be trying hard to look like a know-it-all and spend their time taking stills of a video and drawing lines on it and being a dick head.

Darlin'

[cpbellavia]

If spar's username were something else would I be allowed to argue? Why don't you look at the arguments rather than the people.

I think it has little to do with spar's username and a lot to do with yours.

Oh and the fact that she's right and you aren't. That's probably important too. I guess rationality isn't one of your strong points.

[Kregna]

I think it has little to do with spar's username and a lot to do with yours.

Oh and the fact that she's right and you aren't. That's probably important too. I guess rationality isn't one of your strong points.

What's your rationale for her being right?

I guess irony is one of yours

[Simma Park]

I think it has little to do with spar's username and a lot to do with yours.

Oh and the fact that she's right and you aren't. That's probably important too. I guess rationality isn't one of your strong points.

He's just butthurt. He can't stand being wrong and has the mentality of a high school kid who is resentful about people he perceives to be "the popular kids" or some such infantile nonsense.

Kregna, why don't you just take whatever beef you have with me and everyone else on here and post a nasty thread about it in E&P like the other trolls? Let the rest of us give JSK some usable advice.

[Kregna]

He's just butthurt. He can't stand being wrong and has the mentality of a high school kid who is resentful about people he perceives to be "the popular kids" or some such infantile nonsense.

Kregna, why don't you just take whatever beef you have with me and everyone else on here and post a nasty thread about it in E&P like the other trolls? Let the rest of us give JSK some usable advice.

I do not perceive you to be a 'popular kid' as much as I do someone who posts a lot (not an insult). It's cool that you've decided for me what my opinion of you and the argument is. I'm butthurt and yet you're raging. Does that make you double butthurt?

Do you know what a troll is? I'm sure you do seeing as you clearly spend your self-allotted breaks from working at home on the internet. A troll is not someone who disagrees with you. Man up and stop being a pussy about people disagreeing with you.

Yes your useable advice... his press still isn't moving in a straight line. Don't overestimate your value and underestimate others'. I stopped pressing backwards in 2 or so press sessions just by focusing on pressing straight up. I wonder would I have, had I asked for and taken some of your advice?

[Simma Park]

I do not perceive you to be a 'popular kid' as much as I do someone who posts a lot (not an insult). It's cool that you've decided for me what my opinion of you and the argument is. I'm butthurt and yet you're raging. Does that make you double butthurt?

Do you know what a troll is? I'm sure you do seeing as you clearly spend your self-allotted breaks from working at home on the internet. A troll is not someone who disagrees with you. Man up and stop being a pussy about people disagreeing with you.

Yes your useable advice... his press still isn't moving in a straight line. Don't overestimate your value and underestimate others'. I stopped pressing backwards in 2 or so press sessions just by focusing on pressing straight up. I wonder would I have, had I asked for and taken some of your advice?

For fuck's sake. I'm only pointing out your own dumb argument, about how people supposedly are agreeing with me not because I'm right, but because I'm me.

I have been wrong before, just like everyone else. I have no problems with admitting that. If someone accepts my observations simply because I'm me, they're foolish. My advice and observations should speak for themselves. JSK and others can decide whether they seem correct in a given situation.

I still maintain that you don't know enough to be giving advice out on here, and your inability to not take things personally is just another symptom of that. In fact, it makes you an even shittier source of advice, since it prevents you from perceiving reality. Pointing this out is a public service to the newbies on this board, as far as I'm concerned. I don't call out people often for misguided advice, because learning on here what is good coaching advice and what is not is all part of what this board can teach. But you insist on throwing a tantrum about it, which is actually interfering with your ability to see what is going on with the OP's press.

Now, I'm not going to say that everyone who takes and passes the seminar and who has actual barbell coaching clients is always right or is necessarily more competent than people who have not. And I am careful about judging people who have light lifts, since I think it's more meaningful to look at effort, ability to improve, training history, etc. But if you have a 110# press that looked like this a month ago, and you've been doing this program since June of last year, you need to do more learning and less teaching. Period.

[cpbellavia]

What's your rationale for her being right?

She actually uses the press mechanics as taught in the book. You just ramble on about your anecdotal evidence.

I don't read the subforums much. I mostly stick to the rip q&a. And I don't think I've seen one sound objective post from you there. Everything you post is just spouting angry unsupported opinions. Then when someone points out why it doesn't make sense, you flip shit and start an argument instead of accepting logical reasoning.

There's a big difference between going against the grain and just being wrong. Unfortunately, your subjective babble typically falls into the latter.

[Simma Park]

She actually uses the press mechanics as taught in the book. You just ramble on about your anecdotal evidence.

I don't read the subforums much. I mostly stick to the rip q&a. And I don't think I've seen one sound objective post from you there. Everything you post is just spouting angry unsupported opinions. Then when someone points out why it doesn't make sense, you flip shit and start an argument instead of accepting logical reasoning.

There's a big difference between going against the grain and just being wrong. Unfortunately, your subjective babble typically falls into the latter.

Sometimes, simple advice like "keep the bar path straight" is the way to go. Especially in something like the squat, where you have lots of feedback on what the bar is doing from basically every sensory point on your entire body--provided a trainee has adequate kinesthetic awareness--or something like the bench, where you can see the bar path pretty well.

The press is not one of those lifts, in my experience. You have to point out when and why the bar path strays, because it's much harder to feel where the bar is relative to the line through midfoot, and the lift involves moving the head back and forth over that line, which messes with most people's ability to perceive where everything is.

[Root]

This has me wondering: If I post a form check and somehow bribe Kregna into arguing with spar, will spar do the same kind of wonderful, detailed analysis of my form that she's done for OP? What if OP and Kregna are the same person? Genius.