Strength Training May Stunt Your Growth

[AustinGeoffs]

but the work I performed on the farm was consistent with my abilities at the time. Do injuries happen? Of course and I have scars to prove it. Farming is inherently dangerous and pussies don't make very good farmers.

[Mark Rippetoe]

I only mean that it's inconsistent for the legal system to get upset with you if you put your children to work in much safer occupations like professional NASCAR driving or firefighting or bomb disposal but to not complain about making them farm.

It is entirely consistent with libertarian principles to assert that all child labour laws are bogus, but for some reason not many people want to go on the record as supporting sending 6-year-olds back into the coal mines.

A morbidly fat straw man?

[wes]

A few years back they started really cracking down on migrant mexican kids working instead of going to school. A lot of pressure was focused on farmers to stop hiring kids about 16 and younger. In response everyone stopped putting the kids on paper and the kids would just "help" their parents. A lot of farm labor is paid by acre/pound so the kids were still doing the same stuff but the farmers were just handing the money to the parents to get around the law.

The next step in stopping mexican kids from laboring instead of going to school is to ban kids entirely. The implication that this is about banning white kids from helping on the family farm is laughable and all of us who farm for a living know it.

The problem here is that some dummy is going to take this shit and run with it, the 4h thing being a perfect example.

[Mark E. Hurling]

It is entirely consistent with libertarian principles to assert that all child labour laws are bogus, but for some reason not many people want to go on the record as supporting sending 6-year-olds back into the coal mines.

So you see no difference between parents having their children participate in a relatively small family enterprise in a scaled way with chores that start in slopping the hogs, putting some grain in a trough or hay in a manger for the other livestock, or cutting errant cornstalks out of soybean fields,

compared to

Having 6 year olds (oh sob, sniff can we get some more Dickensian hyperbole?) grab a hard hat and lunch bucket and operate a face drill 300 feet below the surface for CONSOL? But then someone who spells work labour tells me all I need to know about their enlightened, morbidly fat, socialist, condescending ass who probably hasn't worked hard once in their life.

[elVarouza]

Have any of you people who support this dumb bill actually ever been on a farm? How many kids each year get catastrophically injured milking a cow? 1? 2? None?

[morbidlyfat]

If y'all are fine with tens of thousands of American kids getting injured on farms every year, well heck, who am I to complain. Keep up the good work.

[Mark Rippetoe]

This study is horseshit. And even if it weren't, fuck these people anyway. You are a fool to think the government can manage their lives better than their parents can. And even if they couldn't, the State cannot have our children. So I'm fine -- JUST FINE -- with what happens to kids on farms in the United States.

Give them your children, fat.

[apparatus]

I worked on a farm (a 4-H farm, actually) when I was 12/13 and I'm still here, all limbs and digits intact. This shit with the government growing is getting fucking ridiculous. I would go as far to say that anyone that votes for Obama to serve a second term is either clueless to the severity of the situation or has just become an enemy of mine.

"Political tags—such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist,
fascist, liberal conservative, and so forth—are never basic criteria. The
human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and
those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest
motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly
curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable
neighbors than the other sort."-Robert Heinlein

And there you go.

[poppunk]

Have any of you people who support this dumb bill actually ever been on a farm? How many kids each year get catastrophically injured milking a cow? 1? 2? None?

It wasn't a bill, it was a proposal from the Department of Labor. Given the Republican control of the House and all the Democrats who are from farm districts, this shit wasn't happening.

According to this article this proposal was to explicitly exclude work on a family farm. From looking around more it looks like they added a family exemption to the proposal at some point. When the backlash occurred on this, the focus was family farms, even after they were supposedly excluded. I can't find any versions of any proposed rule so I can't tell the bullshit from reality in what has been written or discussed.

I do think it's terribly inconsistent that 14 and 15 year-olds can do any dangerous thing in the world on a non-family farm but they can't work dangerous jobs that aren't agriculture related. It seems to me like either kids shouldn't be able to do dangerous work on non-family farms, or kids should be able to do any other equivalently dangerous job.

[Tamara Reynolds]

If y'all are fine with tens of thousands of American kids getting injured on farms every year, well heck, who am I to complain. Keep up the good work.

I hope you don't let your kids ride in a car, MF.

"Motor vehicle crashes kill more children in the United States than any other cause of death. In 2009, more than 1,300 children aged 14 years and younger died in motor vehicle crashes and more than 173,000 were injured as motor vehicle passengers. Most motor vehicle-related deaths and injuries are predictable and preventable." Whatcha doin' to stop that?

http://www.cdc.gov/safechild/NAP/overviews/mv-kids.html