i thought about all the talk about sleeves and came to the conclusion that if the only reason for using them on my old joints was to keep them warm and not for support, i would experiment a little.
i went and got some "sleeves" (if i told you where i got them you would laugh at me).
they are basically just an open ended sock, elasticized cotton/nylon. not enough for any support at all but tight enough to leave an impression when i take them off.
my knees are now toasty.
in the past week since i started with a belt and now with these sleeves, my squat has gone from 240 to 255 and my d-lift has gone from 280 to 305.
i am convinced.

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