"Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" by Dr. Weston A. Price

[Rama]

No creature on this Planet has to ask somebody "what it has to eat".

Modern Man is so confused that he has no knowledge what his body wants him to eat. He keeps asking other people again and again what to eat and what not to eat.

Death is uncertain so as with anything in this life.

Lions and Tigers do not stop eating meat and do not switch their diets to grass eating when there isn't any meat from animals available in the forest. They eat what they eat, they die but they do not eat something else. So as with any other creatures in this planet.

Human Body came out of nature, Human Body didn't come from Laboratory and it is not man made.

Human Body came from nature and in nature there is food that it requires. If you think you will die Prematurely by eating Natural Food then you sound foolish.

If you meant eating natural food and dying prematurely in a road accident or anything similar even then your idea sounds unnatural.

A drug addict can't see anything else other than drugs in his life. The same applies to a Food Addict. They just can't see the Truth.

If death is a calamity to you and you can't digest the idea of knowing that you are going to die one day.
Just because you die one day doesn't mean you have to eat what ever shit. As this sounds more like you love "shit eating" more than your life.

Food as Fuel and not just a Fill.

I haven't seen anybody living 102 years eating horse shit, chain smoking and drinking alcohol. The average age of a person with this kind of lifestyle is 50 years or even less than that in united states alone.

Just because Mark Rippetoe says drink a gallon milk and eat a lot of meat doesn't make it right and natural. He says that may be because he has seen so many weight lifters doing that with some good results.

If you ask the same question to Arnold he will say, oh come on man lets pump iron by pumping some steroids.

All these are opinions. They are not natural. Anything that is not natural comes with some or the other side effects.

You can be a dick or a stick that is your choice,

My suggestion is better be Natural and lift weights how much every your body permits naturally.

Eating any shit and lifting more weight sounds foolish. In that case why don't you take steroids or performance enhancing drugs rather than filling your stomach with gallon milk and tons of meat.

[Archaeosteve]

This argument is counter-intuitive. For the 200,000 years Homo sapiens have been around eating a "natural diet" (Whatever that means?), no one expected to live past 40 until maaaaabye 10,000 years ago. It hasnt been until the last couple hundred years that weve seen a real expansion in lifespan, which is far from "natural" vis-a-vis your parameters.

Human beings may have come from "nature", however we have successfully lived on every habitable corner of the Earth. The environment provides wildly different resources in different places and we were able to thrive on any of them. For the Inuit this meant eating tons of seals, whales, birds with very few plant foods, while for the !Kung this meant lots of Mongongo nuts with meat being more rare.

Isnt it unnatural that in places where people count survive off nature we started farming and herding? Im willing to bet a lot of the food you eat (if you eat any fruit or vegetable) is a domesticated form that came out of thousands of years of human selection. Just look up the wild forms of a banana.

When it comes to milk: At several times and places in human history populations independently had a genetic mutation for lactase persistence that spread. The fact that it spread so widely so fast means the ability to drink lots of milk into adulthood was pretty damn important. The diet of almost all of East African pastoralists ive ever worked with consists almost entirely of dairy for large parts of the year. I dont think youre suggesting that, because its not directly provided by nature, they should stop doing it and lay down and die. We dont live in the past, we live now, and we have are dealing with an entirely different set of circumstances.

[WayneRooney]

Rama, what the actual fuck?

Do you understand that other "creatures" cannot discuss nutrition amongst themselves?

And do you not realise that meat and milk are natural foods?

Humans eat meat, we have canine teeth, and drink milk.

I agree that natural > processed however.

Perhaps your point was lost in translation?

[Dastardly]

I think in the scheme of things diet as long as it is not outrageously unhealthy, is insignificant compared to the effect of genetics on disease & mortality.

[kinski]

Actually, centenarians are noted for having the same "unhealthy" lifestyles that the majority experience. Many centenarians are noted to drink and smoke regularly, and exhibit a similar average bmi to the rest of the general population.
3 factors do stick out that differentiate centenarians from everyone else:
1) family history of longevity
2) positive attitude and above average intelligence
3) minimal to no loss of mobility into their 80's or 90's (so keep squatting)

[tzanghi]

I agree with veryhrm. The fact that the only thing this girl consumed was chicken nuggets and french fries and yet her body lived on this for 15 years says something. Now it does not say strength athletes will do well on this diet, but that's not the point he was trying to make. His point is merely that calories go a long way towards an adequate diet(or so I think). You clearly could not survive as long as she did without adequate calories, but she did with only 2 sources of calories(supposedly). This goes a long way to showing that calories matter a lot more than nutrients for survival only.

[Simma Park]

no one expected to live past 40 until maaaaabye 10,000 years ago

Is there actually enough of a skeletal/archaeological record to determine this?

[veryhrm]

I agree with veryhrm. The fact that the only thing this girl consumed was chicken nuggets and french fries and yet her body lived on this for 15 years says something. Now it does not say strength athletes will do well on this diet, but that's not the point he was trying to make. His point is merely that calories go a long way towards an adequate diet(or so I think). You clearly could not survive as long as she did without adequate calories, but she did with only 2 sources of calories(supposedly). This goes a long way to showing that calories matter a lot more than nutrients for survival only.

Well, my claim is not quite as broad as that. I limited it to a western diet where most people get more than adequate micronutrients without having to worry about it. You absolutely need them and you'd be deformed and die w/o adequate amounts. Even the McNuggets girl benefited from nanny state mandated fortification of flour http://www.sustainweb.org/realbread/...rent_situation
(with calcium, iron and some b vitamins) (but apparently not folic acid in the UK... which may be the cause of her anemia... and would have been bad news if she had become pregnant)

Adequate protein is also important. It just so happens that since she liked chicken nuggets she was getting enough of it. My guess is her macros probably come out to 40/50/10 %cals from carbs/fat/protein not great... but enough.

The overarching point was that processed or not doesn't matter to the 80% level which was being discussed (or even the 95% level, imo), it's the macros and micros in the food (or rather what your body can get out of the food ) that matters regardless of whether it's pink-slime, factory produced, GMed or made from natural gas (like the creatine being discussed a thread or two over). You could live adequately on SpaghettiOs (pref. w/ meatballs), kraft mac and cheese and Cup O soup.

[Alexis]

The question is if you can thrive on it.
I went through some years on shitfood. It definitely impaired my well being on several levels back then.

[Briks42]

I think in the scheme of things diet as long as it is not outrageously unhealthy, is insignificant compared to the effect of genetics on disease & mortality.

No doubt.