531- prescribed weight for more reps? More weight for planned reps?

[Sopirate55]

So, Jon- do you feel like you are ever/often in a position where your programmed weights are lighter than you feel you can do?

Im definitely looking better on this program than TM- but Im trying to get to 405 on dead and Id really like to get a 200lb overhead by the end of the year.
Im at 365 dead for 2 and 165 overhead for, I think 2. I find it hard not to cheat on overheads though, so Im staying in the 150s until all my reps have zero hip involvement- hard.

I'd work the program and then test myself at the end of the year. Make sure you up your 1rm to base the % off of each month and I don't think there should be any reason your not at a 405 1rm dl by the end of the year. Just because you are using something as your working % 1rm, doesn't mean that you don't have the capability of doing more. That's really more a marathon program instead. I've read where guys got great gains out of it using relatively light 1rm as their working %.

[allent]

Wendler will respond to questions like these if you ask him. Was 365 the weight for your last 1+ set? Are you doing normal 5/3/1 or one of the new variants? If it was your 1+ set, take the rest week, hit it hard next month, and don't accept anything less than three reps on your 1+ set at 375. Then after the rest week try the 405. Or wait another month.

[tzanghi]

I find it hard not to cheat on overheads though, so Im staying in the 150s until all my reps have zero hip involvement- hard.

Why no hip involvement? That's ok according to SS.

[Sevag]

Why no hip involvement? That's ok according to SS.

He probably wants to make the shoulders do more work in the lift.

[JM3]

Wendler will respond to questions like these if you ask him. Was 365 the weight for your last 1+ set? Are you doing normal 5/3/1 or one of the new variants? If it was your 1+ set, take the rest week, hit it hard next month, and don't accept anything less than three reps on your 1+ set at 375. Then after the rest week try the 405. Or wait another month.

It was my 1+ set. and Im inconsistent with my assistance work- I hit one 5x10 or 5x8 set of the movement then usually do bodyweight stuff, I would say normal 5/3/1.
Im doing 5lb increases on the major weights- I recalculated to get more challenging weights (hence the question) and now have no problems with things feeling 'light'
Im in new territory now- and am appropriately humbled.

In terms of hip involvment- I sort of glanced at the revision Rippetoe wrote- probably should look at it again, but I understood full extension of the hip to be ok- but Im snapping my knees on some of my reps. I hit 155 overhead for 4 or 5 yesterday, with nominal snap- but a press is a press and Im push pressing some of my reps despite myself- trying to eliminate that completely iffn I can.

Ive never actually tested my 1rm on anything. Maybe its time to do that now.

[tzanghi]

In terms of hip involvment- I sort of glanced at the revision Rippetoe wrote- probably should look at it again, but I understood full extension of the hip to be ok- but Im snapping my knees on some of my reps. I hit 155 overhead for 4 or 5 yesterday, with nominal snap- but a press is a press and Im push pressing some of my reps despite myself- trying to eliminate that completely iffn I can.

That's pretty much it. He says no knee bend, just shove the hips forward under the bar right before your press and once you get the bar out over your head you shove your hips back under the bar to help it into lockout.

Not that I'm an expert, but I might suggest a deload and some short term LP because it's hard to stick with a weight and keep doing it 'til you get a change in form if the weight is too hard. Just a thought; hope your press works out either way.

[JM3]

But that would entail using common sense.....

[tzanghi]

hahaha don't worry, I don't take my own advice; I do the same thing.

[JM3]

Very easy to rationalize when 3 out of 5 is perfect, or when the movement is almost imperceptible - then theres the rep where the bar disappears over head and the shoulders are flexed up top- and I flush with push press shame.

Once a totally out of shape guy on the graviton took an interest: that's an Olympic lift isn't it? I muttered yes and quiclkly slunk away...

[JC]

Don't feel bad, Brian Blessed said that the bench press is an olympic lift, and he benches 400lbs (and always has, according to Brian Blessed).