I think small doses can help though. I workout with a retired powerlifter that gets TRT from his doctor. I think he takes 200mg of Test Cypionate every week. When he started it, he made some pretty rapid progress and looked noticeably bigger after just a few weeks. He didn't look like a huge BB or anything, but I did notice him beefing up a little.
Originally Posted by Tom Narvaez
Depending on the person, 200mg of cyp per week can put you over 1000ng/dl. I can see why that would have very noticeable effects.
I might as well chime in too. I'm 34 and have had about 4 or 5 T tests in the past 2 years. I think my total T topped out at about 350 on the highest test, but usually they were around the upper 200's. My free T was also what I would call low-normal, but I can't remember off the top of my head what those results were.
Originally Posted by Callador
My doc doesn't really think I need T supplementation at this time because I can still get wood, have sex, not losing body hair, and I have good hypertrophy. I do feel like crap all the time though, and I get sick a lot. She said I should wait until I'm closer to 40 before considering getting on the stuff.
I've been wanting to go in for another test after laying off my weekly alcohol intake night to see if that makes a difference, but I usually don't abstain more than a couple of weeks.
I probably just need to go to an Endo. I've suspected I might have pituitary issues causing problems in my endocrine system, but the tests I have requested related to the pituitary were normal, although I don't know enough to interpret any subtleties about the results.
I've been knocked unconscious at least once, and have had a few concussions, so that's where I think pituitary malfunction might stem from. So far the only pituitary related test that always comes back bad is my TSH, which my doctor seems to insist is a thyroid malfunction even though TSH comes from the pituitary. The enigmatic thing is that my T3 and T4 are normal. I think even the free T3 and T4 are normal when the doc remembers to add those tests like I request.
What you need to look at is FSH and LH, mainly LH.
Originally Posted by yorick
Thanks, that's helpful.
Originally Posted by Philbert
400 mg/week is still a enough of a cycle that I think you'd expect to see some serious results (unless you're already in Louis Simmons' league). It's quite a bit higher than what a doc would prescribe for TRT. But you're right, in terms of non-therapeutic T supplementation it's not all a gram a week; there's a range.
Originally Posted by Calvo
Last edited by niclane; 07-20-2012 at 08:21 AM.
Reason: Punctuation, yo.
Oldster, according to Llevellyn: "Studies show there is no association between the testosterone level and likelihood of developing prostate cancer. On the same note, the administration of exogenous testosterone during androgen replacement therapy seems to have no effect for developing this disease." I suggest you buy his book Anabolics, which has all the necessary information, and the studies that support the statements. I suggest the book, to anybody remotely interested in more information on anabolics.
Originally Posted by Oldster
Yeah, my FSH and LH came back normal. I'm not sure if I had multiple tests on both of those or not. But both have been tested with a "normal" result at least once.
Originally Posted by Carlos Daniel
Thanks for your input and help.
Anybody got experience with longer-term use of clomid to increase T ?
Originally Posted by LeonidasfromSparta
Huh, OK. I thought TRT docs would be more willing to bump you up to the top of the normal range, but yeah, exactly, there's a range even with performance-enhancing doses.
Originally Posted by niclane