BBC investigates supplement claims

[Kim]

I can't drink milk without gagging. The thought of even trying to drink an entire glass is just, well, nauseating. I try to get most of my protein from meat and other veggies, spinach, but one protein shake a day really helps me out. Plus they kind of give me a sweet fix, especially if I add some peanut butter or other nut butter. Cinnamon and nutmeg in a vanilla shake is pretty good too and cinnamon is very good for you.

Just my two cents.

[Lou Guerra]

Flibbs, it's clear to me that your ability to concentrate has been affected from living in a clearly milk starved place where prices are upside down. Other than that you seem like a decent guy. I accept your concession that Milk is a better value ($/g protein) when comparing two equivalent products as I did, no matter how small the numerical difference is (more on that later). To be clear that was from my perspective, never did I imply for you to import Milk - although at $9/gallon free trade of Milk might be a worthwhile venture.

By this point I hope you have also realized from my posts that I consider the comparison of what would give us the best value in putting on LBM to be much more important than $/g protein. I only mentioned $/g protein to showcase how - in the US - Milk beats out whey in a category that most people would expect whey to win in and - in your residence - the $/g protein is still very close (.01 using your run of the mill milk price) Let me repeat that number, .01 (one hundredth). .01 does not make whey come out

...well ahead

When reacting to my bulk whey vs "bulk" milk calculations you even sarcastically say how you get

a massive 1 tenth of a cent lead over whey!

when really it was a thousandth difference (.016-.015) but clearly if a tenth is not that much to you, a hundredth (.01) won't be either. See what I did there?

I hope the picture is becoming clearer now for you. $/g protein is fucking close no matter how you slice it and the 100000 other benefits of milk therefore make Milk more valuable when trying to put on LBM. Are there uses for Whey? Sure, some of the other posters have already mentioned them. But if I'm strapped for cash and looking to put on LBM I'm going to choose Milk 10/10. Enough already.

[toonttm]

Sorry, I have beer on board (a well known supplement that not only makes you a better person but also seems to increase your lifts that you state on the internet! - it also means you do 'long posts')

So I haven't properly read all the latest posts on milk-costing-versus-protein-powders debate.

But I would like to add this: I live in New Zealand, one of the biggest milk exporting countries in the world.
Milk here is around $8 a gallon - apparently 'our' milk is actually cheaper to buy overseas.
I can buy a 5lb tub of Gold standard protein for around $NZ90.
That tub lasts me at least a month, and the convenience factor makes it seem even cheaper.

Somebody earlier mentioned that protein powders came from milk products so it couldn't be cheaper than milk.
I have worked in a milk factory - it is a huge industry involving much machinery and also transport that adds to the overall cost.

But, I do remember reading once that all these protein powders are made from a 'waste' product from the treatment of 'raw' milk. i.e. they used to throw this stuff out
So if someone has then taken the waste product and turned it into something useful then maybe the purchase price of the bulk item is quite low.

I remember once working with a guy who managed to buy the legs that were cut off chickens as they went through a factory.
He not only freely removed this waste product but then shipped container loads to Japan and China and made a mint $$$

So, if you have a fantastic diet and don't need protein supplements, good-on-ya!
However, with a busy working life etc I think a protein supplement is a must.
It is lucky I have 5 fingers on each hand as it allows me to easily keep track of the number of days I manage to miss lunch, but I know I can quickly swig a protein supp.

And if you feel you don't need supps? because you have a perfectly balanced diet? lets see how that idea pans out over 20 - 30 years of working.

Finally, do you know that some people actually drink coffee during their workouts? WTF??
If this idea takes of we will need barristas in gyms! lol