Increase the weight next week?

[Carlos Daniel]

Yeah I know what you mean. I usually get to the third rep and know whether I can do the set or not. I very almost gave up after rep 3 but then realised I have nothing to lose



Am I really leading with my chest? I don't know how to use my hips anymore without turning it into a good morning


Do you guys think I could have done the set with a slower descent?

In some reps you do, not in all of them. It's a little too fast, I think. Some people do well with that, but try a little slower next week and see if it feels better.

[hrat]

So is that amount of knee caving acceptable? I'm also having trouble deciding what's OK and what's technical failure.

[veryhrm]

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Am I really leading with my chest? I don't know how to use my hips anymore without turning it into a good morning
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I think you're actually overdriving your hips (i.e. not raising your chest enough/not maintaining back angle) in the bottom third and then you have to "lead with your chest" for the rest of it to make up for the difference (and because otherwise you'd get out of balance forward)

You can see this in the knees too. On some of the reps they move back out of the bottom as you drive the hips and then they come back forward as you start lifting the chest. It's like the second-pull in a PC. (You also have some classic knee slide at the bottom that starts this off)

I've started doing some of this myself... i think i'm going to get w/ TUBOW and see if i can get my knees to quiet down again.

[John Bono]

So is that amount of knee caving acceptable? I'm also having trouble deciding what's OK and what's technical failure.

Depends. If your knees are all over the place, your gm'ing the weight, you are nowhere near parallel, and it's a warmup set, you're doing it wrong, and should take weight off the bar and fix your form.

On the other hand, if this is a hard work set, and your form starts to degrade as you progress through that set, no biggie.

In the OP's case, he's breaking parallel, and there's nothing really horrific going on, so he should bump the weight.

[Kregna]

In some reps you do, not in all of them. It's a little too fast, I think. Some people do well with that, but try a little slower next week and see if it feels better.

Thanks I'll give it a try

So is that amount of knee caving acceptable? I'm also having trouble deciding what's OK and what's technical failure.

I'm not happy with it either but this was real heavy for me and it doesn't normally happen

I think you're actually overdriving your hips (i.e. not raising your chest enough/not maintaining back angle) in the bottom third and then you have to "lead with your chest" for the rest of it to make up for the difference (and because otherwise you'd get out of balance forward)

You can see this in the knees too. On some of the reps they move back out of the bottom as you drive the hips and then they come back forward as you start lifting the chest. It's like the second-pull in a PC. (You also have some classic knee slide at the bottom that starts this off)

I've started doing some of this myself... i think i'm going to get w/ TUBOW and see if i can get my knees to quiet down again.

That makes sense, cheers. How would you recommend I stop this? Just by thinking about driving the hips less? Any cues?

If a seminar ever pops up in the UK I'll be one of the first so sign up

[hrat]

I'm not happy with it either but this was real heavy for me and it doesn't normally happen

I tried to write that in a way that wasn't criticising you, which I wasn't. It's just some of my heavy sets look similar, and I'm never sure where to draw the line. If it's an unusual thing, and hasn't happened before, I'd happily add weight and just focus on it a little more, but I've reached the chronic stage.

[Kregna]

I tried to write that in a way that wasn't criticising you, which I wasn't. It's just some of my heavy sets look similar, and I'm never sure where to draw the line. If it's an unusual thing, and hasn't happened before, I'd happily add weight and just focus on it a little more, but I've reached the chronic stage.

Oh yeah I know I just thought I'd mention they don't normally cave like that