How can I fit in pendlay rows into the program without eliminating PCs or pull ups?

[SebCS]

So I recently decided that I want to start doing rows because nothing was hitting the back of my delts and that my pulling force wasn't getting stronger. I started doing rows, and I love the strength they give in a perpendicular pulling motion. But I don't really know where to fit in the rows. Right now I alternate pull ups with rows, but as the weight on my DL moved up, I found that I couldn't do rows or pull ups after the DL. I know SS has you do pullups on a different day then when you do DLs. So if I wanted to add in rows to the program(I know I'm "not doing the program") where would be the best place to put it?

[FKYT]

Why not just rotate the four?

[SebCS]

Why not just rotate the four?

Wouldn't the training for each lift not be frequent enough? I mean that's like less than once a week. I was wondering if I could just put in my sets of pull ups on rest days. Would this interfere with recovery?

[FatButWeak]

Dude. If you are powercleaning and doing pullups, you are "hitting your rear delts." Dont be a douche. Stan Efferding does barbell rows with great form using 225 to hit his rear delts (look him up). I doubt you need to do the same with 85 pounds. Start power cleaning 225 and doing pullups with 35 pounds over body weight before you worry about your "rear delts"

I only worry about my rear delts in the 3 months before a contest when I am hovering at between 6 and 8% body fat - in which case I do lying rear flyes.

[Dastardly]

If you are a a novice I am doubting you can make a barbell row anywhere as near productive as pullups/chins. It will also fatigue your low back (and vice versa), you need to preserve your low back for all the squatting and deadlifting!

[SebCS]

If you are a a novice I am doubting you can make a barbell row anywhere as near productive as pullups/chins. It will also fatigue your low back (and vice versa), you need to preserve your low back for all the squatting and deadlifting!

Ok, I guess I'll just stick to pullups for now.

[tzanghi]

Ok, I guess I'll just stick to pullups for now.

Have you tried chin ups? I do chin ups in the program after cleans/deadlifts and they hit the back of my shoulders well. Through in presses on that day and I can really feel it in that area.

[Immortal_k]

Do the fucking program. If you are really fixated on "rows" do T-bar or dumbbell rows after you're through with the main compound movements.

[Meshuggah]

Rows are more beneficial than cleans for size & strength.

[Dastardly]

Rows are more beneficial than cleans for size & strength.

Deadlifting, Squatting, Cleans and chin ups are more effective for size and strength than Deadlifting/squatting light weights because your low back is fatigued, and doing rows also with submaximal weights for your lats/upper back because your low back is not strong enough to support heavy enough rows.

You need to build up some decent strength before you cab barbell row big enough weighs, and then you need to programme them carefully as not to fuck up your progression on other lifts.

Much better just to do any of a variety of pull ups/chins, weighted if you like. Or even dumb bell rows as you will only be putting half the stress on your low back, you can attack more useful weights on DB rows and use a longer ROM.