Today ladies and gentlemen....I will destroy the squat!!!

[t0rment]

and eventaully I will switch to 5/3/1 or something to keep my strength and loose the fat.

I think the majority on here are not in favor of looking like a beach guy with abs and shit, but if you've been fat since childhood with man boobs it gets to you. So for now, fuck it. I'm gaining weight and shit so in 3 or 4 months I'll revise my eating plan and ask advise again based on my goals.

Just a few words of caution: in either situation make it count, and don't go overboard.

I tried to do the 5/3/1 while cutting thing, but I wasn't mentally prepared to lose any strength so it was pretty much a failure. I then said fuck it and decided to just get stronger because I wasn't about to give up any more pounds on the bar. Things are going pretty well now except for my squat and I don't really regret my decision, but really think about where you're going with this. Being fat sucks. When putting on socks is a chore, you know your situation probably isn't ideal. Make sure you're actually getting strong with the fat, or your efforts are pointless. And just because you don't care about your abs doesn't mean you won't benefit from a tighter diet. You don't have to stuff your face with brownies and eat 5000 calories to make good progress.

[Tom Narvaez]

If you squat 500lbs at 40% body fat, it probably won't mean as much to you as you think.

[grand666]

If you're still gaining around the mid-section and are above 20% BF just start cutting down by ~150-200kcal per week and see if you're still recovering for all of your workouts. Also you might like intermittent fasting. I've been doing this and I've stopped gaining weight at 210# but I keep losing fat and getting stronger. I came from the other end where I had chicken legs, a six pack and arms. I'm glad to have finally filled out a bit. Maybe I'd still be hitting 10s if I was still doing GOMAD? But I think I've finally found that fine line of compromise with my diet and strength gains. And yes, getting stronger before trying to lose weight is definitely the best choice.

Good thing you brought that up. I'm at 22% BF at the moment. I measured my thigh the other day and I gained half an inch on it. Some is fat obviously but shit I was impressed. I'll just tell myself it's muscle to make me feel like a monster. hahaha.

Just a few words of caution: in either situation make it count, and don't go overboard.

I tried to do the 5/3/1 while cutting thing, but I wasn't mentally prepared to lose any strength so it was pretty much a failure. I then said fuck it and decided to just get stronger because I wasn't about to give up any more pounds on the bar. Things are going pretty well now except for my squat and I don't really regret my decision, but really think about where you're going with this. Being fat sucks. When putting on socks is a chore, you know your situation probably isn't ideal. Make sure you're actually getting strong with the fat, or your efforts are pointless. And just because you don't care about your abs doesn't mean you won't benefit from a tighter diet. You don't have to stuff your face with brownies and eat 5000 calories to make good progress.

Very good comment man thank you. Makes sense. I still don't know how exaclty the programming works for 5/3/1, looks confusing, but that is what some suggested on here. But if you have experience with it I'll take your word. So, seeing you went through it, how do you suggest going about the cutting thing? Very very soon I'll have to switch to different programming because it's already taxing on my body. The squats alone fuck me up big time, the I have deadlifts to look forward to.
After the novice part, how do you program? Is it also in the book? I don't remember.

Here are my goals. I would like to have the body of a natural bodybuilder, but I don't just want the size, I want the strength that goes with the look. Big legs, wide lats, tight mid section and that's it. I don't want to do countless reps of dumbell reverse flyes and shit. I was told on here a while back that no muscle gets left out on this proggram, so I'm following it. I can feel it too. Even upper back is sometimes "stiff" after deads. I don't get DOMS anymore, but just toasted.

This is my progress so far :

Start Week 1 :
Squat : 115lbs
Deadlift 135lbs
Press : 65lbs
Bench : 95lbs

Current Week 7, second WO :
Squat : 285lbs
Deadlift : 315lbs
Press : 115lbs (micro-load from here to continue progress)
Bench : 180lbs (went up 5lbs from the start, this is my weakest lift)

After some workouts I do dips and/or chin ups too depending how I feel. How do I program this? sets/reps?

Lastly, based on my progression, does it look good or do I need to do something different?

[t0rment]

Very good comment man thank you. Makes sense. I still don't know how exaclty the programming works for 5/3/1, looks confusing, but that is what some suggested on here. But if you have experience with it I'll take your word. So, seeing you went through it, how do you suggest going about the cutting thing? Very very soon I'll have to switch to different programming because it's already taxing on my body. The squats alone fuck me up big time, the I have deadlifts to look forward to.
After the novice part, how do you program? Is it also in the book? I don't remember.

Here are my goals. I would like to have the body of a natural bodybuilder, but I don't just want the size, I want the strength that goes with the look. Big legs, wide lats, tight mid section and that's it. I don't want to do countless reps of dumbell reverse flyes and shit. I was told on here a while back that no muscle gets left out on this proggram, so I'm following it. I can feel it too. Even upper back is sometimes "stiff" after deads. I don't get DOMS anymore, but just toasted.

This is my progress so far :

Start Week 1 :
Squat : 115lbs
Deadlift 135lbs
Press : 65lbs
Bench : 95lbs

Current Week 7, second WO :
Squat : 285lbs
Deadlift : 315lbs
Press : 115lbs (micro-load from here to continue progress)
Bench : 180lbs (went up 5lbs from the start, this is my weakest lift)

After some workouts I do dips and/or chin ups too depending how I feel. How do I program this? sets/reps?

Lastly, based on my progression, does it look good or do I need to do something different?

5/3/1 is not confusing at all, but I cannot really offer any guidance on your 5/3/1 cut because as I said, I got weaker while only losing about 15 pounds in 5 months.

What's your height? If I were you, I'd try and drop some body fat after you exhaust SS. If you decide to just keep getting stronger while getting fatter, you can do it but you have to be all in. You can't get to 270 and go, oh man I'm fat, this sucks, let's cut now, because you'll have little to show for it. I think you have a lot more room to get stronger on SS. I got to a 360x3x5 squat at 250 before I had to change programming. You just need to keep sacking up every session and eat enough.

[grand666]

5/3/1 is not confusing at all, but I cannot really offer any guidance on your 5/3/1 cut because as I said, I got weaker while only losing about 15 pounds in 5 months.

What's your height? If I were you, I'd try and drop some body fat after you exhaust SS. If you decide to just keep getting stronger while getting fatter, you can do it but you have to be all in. You can't get to 270 and go, oh man I'm fat, this sucks, let's cut now, because you'll have little to show for it. I think you have a lot more room to get stronger on SS. I got to a 360x3x5 squat at 250 before I had to change programming. You just need to keep sacking up every session and eat enough.

I'm 6'4" and this morning I was 257lbs. I don't like it man. I hate being fat. I know you have to eat and eat and that's what I'm doing, following the damn program, but maybe I should slack off a bit on the food or at least sort of caclulate it so it's just above maintenance. Being tall is cool and all but when you gain weight people tell you you look skinnier than you think, but take your shirt off then you see the god damn fat.

I posted a question in the Programming section. Please feel free to help me out brother!

http://startingstrength.com/resource...870#post501870

[t0rment]

I'm 6'4" and this morning I was 257lbs. I don't like it man. I hate being fat. I know you have to eat and eat and that's what I'm doing, following the damn program, but maybe I should slack off a bit on the food or at least sort of caclulate it so it's just above maintenance. Being tall is cool and all but when you gain weight people tell you you look skinnier than you think, but take your shirt off then you see the god damn fat.

I posted a question in the Programming section. Please feel free to help me out brother!

http://startingstrength.com/resource...870#post501870

Well, you're a giant so that makes 257 sound not so bad. There's nothing wrong with being more precise about it. You could just eat clean paleo as is often recommended, but fat dudes can generally eat enough to turn that into a bulking diet. Use one of the million calorie calculators out there to find out your maintenance and add 500 calories. See how you're recovering and how your weight/waist line is responding and adjust from there.

[Frankie]

i get motivated by these threads because it reassures me that i dont need retarded internet motovation to get shit done.

[Kregna]

i get motivated by these threads because it reassures me that i dont need retarded internet motovation to get shit done.

what ?

[grand666]

Was supposed to squat 295lbs today but first three felt heavy as shit. I finished with 290lbs and loaded 292.5lbs. I'm upset. I wonder if it was mental or not.

Should I do 295lbs next time or 297.5lbs to make it a 5lbs jump from today?

I used the belt for the last part. I know it's not cheating but I can't help feel that the belt is the reason I finished. In my head I keep thinking, was it me or the belt?

God damn you 295lbs. Looks like 300 just won't come easily to me.

[grand666]

I found this thread and thought I'd update my progress. I've been on GSLP for a few weeks (under a month) and my weights today will be this. FOR REPS motherfucker!

Bench : 2x5;1x8 @ 190lbs (I always hit for 9 or 10 but 8 is minimum. Just a personal goal I set everytime)
Squat : 2x5;1x8 @ 285lbs (I quoted in the beginning of the thread on SS 285 was too heavy and I can't do it. Now I'm doing it for reps!!)
Chinups : 1x15 @ BW (single reps for now. programming has been shitty.)

I'm scared again today. But looking at this thread helps seeing where I was and what I'm doing today.