Reply With QuoteYou do realize that equipped lifting happens in a separate division from raw lifting... don't you?Originally Posted by OZ-USF-UFGator
Callador
If everyone in the division is doing it, I wouldn't consider it cheating. Is it cheating to play amateur baseball with aluminum bats? If the league says its ok, then it isn't. And your batting stats etc. are for that particular league only.
*I lift raw as well, but I don't have a beef with geared lifting.
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You do realize that equipped lifting happens in a separate division from raw lifting... don't you?
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Makes no difference to me. Its just stupid (in my opinion only) and I could never understand why someone would use shirts and wraps. Its like cheating on a test, getting an A and then telling everyone that you earned an A. It just doesn't compute. I know the arguments...you get stronger non shirted bench when you bench shirted, etc. If that is the case, then train using the shirt as a tool and then compete without it. I was a video of a 13 year old girl that weighed maybe 125 pounds bench pressing over 250 pounds using a bridge the size of the Golden Gate and a several ply shirt. I dare say that a 150 pound SS style bench would have severly injured her, yet everyone was amazed at her accomplishment. Why not just deadlift with actual springs between your hammies and calves?
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If you read my quote, I acknowledge that it isn't cheating to use gear. It's the not cheating part that I don't get.
Lex
The technology doesn't exist yet.
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*EDITED TO MAKE MY POST MORE RELEVANT*
I get the sentiment. I can wrap my head around geared lifting because the appeal is moving and experiencing the gravity of poundages you otherwise would not be able to handle. That could be pretty cool I guess. Not really my cup of tea. With regards to extreme expression of powerlifting rules (grip width, wide sumo, extreme arch) - all kosher with me from a competition standpoint. I don't exactly gawk in awe when a tiny chinese lady moves a heavy bench one inch. I mean it's cool to win within the framework of the rules from a competition stand point. But, to me, it's not really an impressive feat of strength. Which, usually, strength and success in powerlifting are highly correlated. But, it's not the "strongest" that wins, necessarily.
I think some people take beef with the extreme envelope pushing of the rulebook because, in their minds, the spirit of powerlifting is to reveal the best strength within a weightclass. Ultimately strongman competitions are probably a better barometer of "who is the strongest" IMO.
Last edited by silachoo; 05-25-2017 at 12:52 PM.
Lex
This. People forget this all the time in regards to sports.Competition and actual strength are two different subjects.
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You should stop deadlifting immediately, it's one of the three lifts in Powerlifting. Never do anything you hate.
If you didn't care, you wouldn't have brought it up.
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I think it's pretty dumb too if I'm being honest. But your analogy doesn't hold up. It's like taking a test where the professor applies a 20% curve to everyone equally and the student who would have gotten 95% gets 115%. Also kind of dumb IMO, and that's coming from someone who took a class like that in college and ended up getting a "B" at the end of the semester. But I wasn't cheating.
Anyway, to say you "HATE powerlifting" because there is one variety of it that you think is stupid, while another variety of it is done according to rules that you apparently would approve of, seems like a needlessly broad statement of vitriol.
Last edited by Tim K; 05-25-2017 at 01:43 PM.
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Sumo is dumb
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