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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Wolf View Post
    I first allowed myself to get into a "discussion" with someone at the gym about LBBS for weightlifters, then didn't extricate myself from it early enough when it became apparent that it was not going to be at all productive.
    I unfortunately know this feeling very well. That was a frustrating account to read; I've had very limited success talking with folks as fortified against logic as "Steve".

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    The New York Times: This Day In Sports

    In high school, despite the dire warnings of every coach who watched him, he invented the "Fosbury Flop" and reached 6‚7. And today in Mexico City he amazed 80,000 persons by clearing 7 feet 41/4 inches for an Olympic record.
    In 1967: No gold medal, or any medal, winner in the high jump has ever used that silly technique. Therefore it must be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyleMask View Post
    Another way to frame Steve's fallacy: he is attempting to derive prescriptive/normative judgments (i.e. what ought to be done) from descriptive statements (i.e. what is is done). There's no point arguing with someone this stupid. He needs to read David Hume's Treatise of Human Nature, or just take an introductory logic course. He won't be capable of engaging you in conversation about training until he remediates some of his more general knowledge/reasoning deficits.
    Strictly speaking, we do derive an ought (do your squats, low-bar preferably) from an is (the structure of the human body). We add to that an intuition (fancy philosopher word for stuff we stick in there) that being strong is better, which is a moral/prescriptive ought.

    Steve's still an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl Schudt View Post
    Strictly speaking, we do derive an ought (do your squats, low-bar preferably) from an is (the structure of the human body). We add to that an intuition (fancy philosopher word for stuff we stick in there) that being strong is better, which is a moral/prescriptive ought.

    Steve's still an idiot.
    True, but there's a difference between deriving "ought" from "is" by appealing to a logically connected series of sound inferences (as is done with the low bar squat argument) and simply jumping from "is" to "ought" without presenting any argument for doing so. The former is how we reason in the real world, while the latter is fallacious.

    Normative statements about what humans ought to do cannot be derived by reference solely to descriptive statements about what they actually do ("solely" being an important qualifier). We need reasons. I hope that makes more sense of my point.

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    Squat (belt +XXL SBD)
    365x3 @5.5; 405x3 @6.5; 435x3 @7.5; 455x3x2 @8,9; 425x3 @8
    Notes: Squats felt awful today. Overall technique, tightness, knees - all at high levels of suckitude. I wasn't expecting great things today, but 455 as top set was lower than I thought. It's fine though, it was a big week for volume.

    Bench Press
    45x10, 135x8, 185x5, 225x5, 255x5, 285x5, 300x5 @7.5
    Notes: Pec still felt ok. Put belt on for the last set.

    Deadlift
    475x5 @6.5 (hook), 525x5 @8.5 (mixed)
    Paused - 425x3 (beltless, hook)
    Notes: Power cleaned just one double at 135, didn't have enough time (was NOT going to skip conditioning today!) or energy to do more cleans. The work sets at 475 and 525 felt a lot harder than they looked. Bar speed looks pretty good even for the last rep at 525 but I was really feeling it, so going with an 8.5 there. Back-off set was paused below the knee at 425 for a triple. Hook grip was shattered between yesterday's cleans and today's DL, so I stopped at 3 more because of that than anything else. At that point in the workout, switching my grip in order to do another couple reps just wasn't going to happen.

    Here's the 525:




    C2 Erg - 20/1:30 x 8
    Paces: 1:47.5, 1:33.4, 1:26.9, 1:26.9, 1:22.6, 1:22.6, 1:31.7, 1:20.6
    Notes: Saved some gas for the later rounds and really revved it for the last one. Glad to see a) I still can get down to 1:20 for 20 seconds and b) still had any gas in the tank after the rest of the workout; I was 3 hours in by this point. Very glad to be finished and go shower and eat.

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    Deadlifts looking strong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom DiStasio View Post
    Deadlifts looking strong!
    Thanks Tom. Was feeling beat by the time I pulled that set, but they do look pretty solid.

    And for anyone wondering, Steve came up to me at the gym yesterday and apologized very sincerely for Thursday's events. I assume both of our opinions on the subject in question remain the same, but he was very sincerely apologetic about the way he handled it.

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    Still tired from all of last week's work. Did some volume today at lower intensities.

    Squat (belt+XXL SBD)
    345x6 @5.5; 365x6 @6; 385x6x2 @7,7; 365x6 @6.5
    Notes: Bar speed was pretty good. Could feel the low back fatigued, but at these weights, none of the sets were very challenging.

    Press (all belted, wrapped at 182.5 and after)
    170x6 @ 6.5; 177.5x6 @7; 182.5x6x2 @ 7.5, 7.5; 175x10 @9
    Notes: Shoulders and arms were tired, but press continues to slowly come back.

    Finished with some of the BB complex stuff I did last week (PC to cluster to GM to HBBS to BTN cluster). Did doubles from 115x2 sets, 135, 155x3 sets, and a few sets of 4 chins - pec area still ok.

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    Solid work today. Bench is returning.

    Squat Warmup (naked knees)
    95, 135, 185 - fahves, some paused

    Snatch Grip Deadlift
    185x3, 275x3, 335x3
    385x3 @too low, 425x3 @5.5, 455x3 @6, 475x3 @6.5
    Notes: 475x3 ties the most I've SGDL'd, but this was way easier. If I was grinding out all the way, this is probably something like an 8RM.

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    Bench Press
    135x8, 185x5, 225x5, 265x5
    295x5 @6; 310x5x2 @7,7.5
    2-Ct Paused Bench
    260x4 @6
    265x4x2 @6, 6.5
    Notes: Oh, hello old friend. Where the hell have you been hiding for the past 3 months?! No matter, when an old friend comes back into your life, you welcome him. The 310 sets were in the 7 range, but I was only resting 3-ish minutes. I feel like I suddenly have my bench mojo back out of nowhere. Not that I could jump back in to 335x5x5 but it's pretty solid for only third workout back after a nearly 3 month absence.

    Chins
    BWx5x4
    Notes: Easy.

    C2 Erg - 30/90 x8
    Paces: 1:54.5, 1:44.8, 1:40.0, 1:39.3, 1:37.4, 1:36.7, 1:36.1, 1:33.1
    Notes: Kept some in the tank today, but the longer work/shorter rest ensured they were still somewhat challenging for my poorly conditioned self.

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    Solid, fun day today.

    Squat - rehbands
    LBBS, paused & beltless: 315x2, 345x2, 365x3 @6.5
    HBBS, bounced + 3" belt: 315x2, 345x2, 365x1, 385x1, 405x1 @6
    Notes: Paused squats didn't feel as solid today, but the HBBS felt easy so went to 405 because what the hell. It was easy and pretty deep considering my calf and thigh size + limited ankle mobility; probably about a 6RM. I haven't trained high bar as a regular lift with any appreciable weight in over 4 years; the most I remember doing when I did train it was 385. I went back and the first entry in my log says I did 405 once, but I kinda doubt that now. I don't remember ever doing four plates. Regardless, this 405 was easy and fast, and probably represents a 1RM somewhere around 475 if I had to guess. Low bar squatting and heavy deadlifts have put somewhere around 100lbs on my high bar squat. Probably more if I trained it for a bit and adjusted to the demands of the different positions/mechanics of the HBBS.

    Press
    190x2 @5.5; 210x2 @6.5; 220x2 @7.5; 230x2 @8.25; 235x2x2 @8.75,8.75; 212.5x5 @8.75; 195x5 @7.5
    Notes: First rep of some of the sets had knee unlocking but otherwise pretty smooth. Didn't push anything near failure, overall happy with how my press is coming back.

    Power Clean
    135x2, 165x2, 195x2, 225x2, 245x1, 260x1+1, 270x1+1, 280x1+1, 295x1+1, 305x1+1
    Notes: I didn't feel as good about my technique as last week, but I was less fatigued so just kept going up. Started doing clean pull + power clean at 260, that helps me not pull too early when it gets heavy. Doesn't totally fix it but helps. Anyway, made it to a very ugly 305, which is a 20lb PR. If I do this earlier in the session, without lingering squat and pulling fatigue, no doubt I have 315. Not an amazing accomplishment by any stretch, but it'll be kinda cool for me to do.


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