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    I think your moral of the story from above is slightly off...you may be a 700lb Puller but you are one who is frequently injured and so you need to consider things in that context alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris McCarthy View Post
    I think your moral of the story from above is slightly off...you may be a 700lb Puller but you are one who is frequently injured and so you need to consider things in that context alone.
    Since technique discussion aside, none of what you said addresses the coach's clear lack of ability to actually see her lifter's movement and my mixed frustration and wonderment at that, and instead non-sequiturs to attacking me instead, I read the tone of your comments as snarky, implying that in my arrogance I think I know everything and thus refuse to learn the lessons necessary and the injuries are self inflicted and could be avoided if I'd only look outside my SS echo chamber.

    That said, if you follow me enough to know that this injury isn't isolated but that I have, in fact, been frequently injured, then I assume you also follow me enough to know that I have consulted about this with and/or received treatment from:
    * Over a dozen PTs and chiros, some of whom work with the traditional models, many of whom are lifters or crossfitters and/or primarily or largely treat lifters or crossfitters, and several of whom work within the currently surging biopsychosocial model.
    * About half a dozen MDs, one of whom may or may not have been an SSC not too long ago, who is well known for his well received materials on pain.
    * A number of massage/soft tissue workers and specialists, acupuncturists and others from a more eastern tradition.
    * A number of other coaches and lifters within the strength world: gymnastics, crossfit, olympic lifting, powerlifting - some of whom coach many medal winners, some of whom have medaled themselves (in case that's something that you see as important).

    So far, none of those treatments have been efficacious, and none of the advice offered or rehab/homework done has really helped. These cocaine deadlifts are the first thing that's made a dent, more in 3 days than everything else over about the last 8 years.

    There are other discussions I've had on this log about this very issue that are relevant and may shed some light on other possible physiological and anthropometric factors, as well as the simple but interesting observation that I have coached thousands of people using the same principles I use myself, and not a single one has had even 10% the injury history list that I do, which is suggestive in itself.

    I doubt anything I'll say here will change your mind or attitude, but at the core of what I interpret of your snarky comment is a fair and valid question about why I get injured so much. So in case any readers of good will and open mind are wondering that, which is a fair thing to wonder and question, this is a partial reply. I don't have time to dig up and find all of the discussions I've had about it in this log over the last 7.5 years, but there are many, it's not something I haven't thought a lot about and addressed.

    So, Chris: What do you suggest? What's your brilliant solution that the PTs, Chiros, MDs, massage therapists, olympic, powerlifting, and strength coaches haven't proffered? Do you want to take into account that I was by far the most oft-injured person on every team throughout my 4 years of high school sports before I ever lifted a barbell (excepting bench press my senior year)? Or that I have a condition in both knees that's rare to have in even one knee, even more so when there was no traumatic mechanism?

    I think you just want to be snarky and assume I'm arrogant and refuse to learn any new things that might help. You might assume that no matter what, because of people you associate me with, and I DO certainly have a stubborn streak and some of the issues I've had in the past were because I refused to learn from my mistakes or from other people. But it's been a long time since that was the case.

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    Thanks for the reply, Wolf...I'll deny the charge of "Snarkiness" though since I was pretty clear in suggesting it's very likely the thinking that leads you to write on why it's OK for YOU to do something is the thinking that over time leads to your long list of injuries...so my number one suggestion would to be to stop doing that.

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    LOL OK Chris. Of course you were being snarky, just own it man. It's not a capital offense.

    That said, I don't understand your point here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris McCarthy View Post
    since I was pretty clear in suggesting it's very likely the thinking that leads you to write on why it's OK for YOU to do something is the thinking that over time leads to your long list of injuries...so my number one suggestion would to be to stop doing that.
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    Change your mental outlook on your training...your training history suggests you can't train heavy or at high intensity for an extended period of time without a large amount of risk, and big jumps in difficulty are out for the same reason, so don't even try to fight this - you'll have to back off most of the time even when you feel healthy...

    I'm sure you feel as those you've already done this, probably multiple times...if you continue to get injured then you haven't done it enough.

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    Your proposal really doesn't fit the pattern, unfortunately. It's also unfalsifiable, cause it can always be claimed I didn't back off enough. This doesn't inherently make it incorrect but I have to suspect based on the confidence with which you assert this, that you don't actually know much in detail about my training and injury history and the pattern of relationship between them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Wolf View Post
    Your proposal really doesn't fit the pattern, unfortunately. It's also unfalsifiable, cause it can always be claimed I didn't back off enough. This doesn't inherently make it incorrect but I have to suspect based on the confidence with which you assert this, that you don't actually know much in detail about my training and injury history and the pattern of relationship between them.
    Well, I've read your Log for many years, so I'm taking the best evidence available...the confidence with which I assert is directly related to the things I've read.

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    Sorry Chris, I just don't agree. I'll caveat that it could be that I haven't logged here, everything that's happened, especially if it's been during a time of lighter training anyway when it didn't affect things as significantly, so my own internal log and knowledge of what happened isn't completely transcribed in this log here.

    I also don't think it's a bad guess without the data, or even with the data over a limited time period (particularly 2013-2015). It's something I have indeed given serious thought to myself at multiple points, and changed my programming because of. It worked programming wise, but didn't prove efficacious in terms of breaking this pattern*. But over the course of my life, and training history especially over the last few years or so, I just have to disagree.

    *I suspect you'll say I didn't change it in this direction enough, and there's no way to disprove that definitively because it's a counterfactual, as well as the myriad variables involved, but it just doesn't fit the pattern. One of the reasons it's been so difficult to nail down is because there hasn't really been a definitive pattern. Sometimes it's happened while in a period of training hard. Sometimes it's happened when I was coasting and easing off. Sometimes it's happened on heavy sets, sometimes light sets, sometimes warmup sets. Sometimes it's happened outside the gym. Sometimes inside. I had a lot of injuries and issues before I ever started lifting, playing both competitive and recreational sports growing up. Sometimes there was a build up where a minor injury got re-tweaked before it was fully healed, sometimes it's come out of nowhere. Sometimes it's been on perfectly fine days when everything felt fine beforehand, sometimes on days when things didn't feel that good and I perhaps foolishly pushed anyway.

    You can find examples of just about everything, but you won't find a definitive and clear pattern that should lead you to confidence in causation without cherry picking.
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    If you were injured a lot in previous endeavours I have no way of knowing whether that was because you have some sort of structural fragility or whether you overdid things even back then (either is possible).

    Getting injured at "weird" times is to me a pretty clear indicator that you've overdone it in the Gym...your back may "go" standing up from tying your shoelaces but it's almost certainly not due to it, unless you're *extremely* unlucky...

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    Leave the poor man alone.

    This is giving me flashbacks to dealing with injuries in high school and college athletics. There was always some old fat hag who would come up to you after you had been rehabbing an injury for 6-12 months and say "These kids just want everything now. They can't be patient, rehab properly and stay within their limits." then, on the other side you would have ex athletes saying "I was ALWAYS playing injured. We were tougher back then. It is fine to push through it." In addition to that bullshit there were countless low-IQ dumb fucks offering you every kind of ridiculous advice as if you simply hadn't been trying hard enough to stay healthy or just didn't know what you were doing.

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