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    Quote Originally Posted by DoinFives View Post
    I just get the feeling that there is a stigma against straps for deadlift that is all.
    A stigma?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Wolf View Post
    An interesting reaction to such an article.

    In the absence of carny-hands, grip strength should almost never be a limiting factor on the deadlift until a lot of training advancement has been made. Rare exceptions aside, there's otherwise no reason why a guy should need straps to pull 500. And once you pull 500, you get to start to form your own opinion about things anyway.

    So while I disagree in theory with that quote, in practice it's true 99% of the time. This of course does not address things like a more advanced lifter using straps to spare his hands/calluses for the higher volume pulling that being a more advanced lifter entails, or things like snatch grip deadlifts and such, where straps are really needed to go heavy.
    You are talking about singles though - I started using straps for all heavy sets of 5-10 around around 400+ because I was sick of an occasional slippy bar ruining the last rep of my set for the week/fortnight - that's a set you are only gonna get one shot at. That and torn calluses, lat tweaks, damaged floors from dropped bars it just seems the pros of straps outweigh the negatives unless you are talking about competing in singles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoinFives View Post
    @andybaker

    I just wanted to point out that obviously hook grip and alternating grip offer a mechanical advantage that double overhand grip does not. From my experience alternating grip offers an equal advantage to straps. Iím not so sure about hook grip, as I gave up on using it for deadlift.

    I just get the feeling that there is a stigma against straps for deadlift that is all.
    The mechanical symmetry that straps provide is also an advantage over the mixed grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankie View Post
    You are talking about singles though - I started using straps for all heavy sets of 5-10 around around 400+ because I was sick of an occasional slippy bar ruining the last rep of my set for the week/fortnight - that's a set you are only gonna get one shot at. That and torn calluses, lat tweaks, damaged floors from dropped bars it just seems the pros of straps outweigh the negatives unless you are talking about competing in singles.
    I'm not talking about singles in general, and that's pretty clear if you actually read my posts here. I'm talking about normal work-sets for the vast overwhelming majority of Novices, early Intermediates into mid-Intermediates. If you're doing sets of 10, I submit you're either a later intermediate or advanced lifter, for whom I clearly stated this doesn't apply, or else not training the way I think you should anyway, in which case you can disregard my advice for deadlift just as you do for programming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Wolf View Post
    I'm not talking about singles in general, and that's pretty clear if you actually read my posts here. I'm talking about normal work-sets for the vast overwhelming majority of Novices, early Intermediates into mid-Intermediates. If you're doing sets of 10, I submit you're either a later intermediate or advanced lifter, for whom I clearly stated this doesn't apply, or else not training the way I think you should anyway, in which case you can disregard my advice for deadlift just as you do for programming.
    It sounds like we are in agreeance.

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    Is that the new age version of saying "we agree?"
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