What *has* Westside done for powerlifting?

[manveer]

I benched 600 in high school.

[OZ-USF-UFGator]

Never said westside invented using steroids just that it helped make steroids be cool. Cool to a very specific target demographic. Much the same way the NFL professional wrestling and bodybuilding do to specific groups. To deny that some boys and men have been influenced to take rounds on the influence of westside would be silly.

Never said you don't need to be brutally strong to lift at westside just that westsiders train to use tools rather than display raw strength. Tools allow them to lift more weight than they could lift without using them. Humans use tools to do work we could not normally do. Lifting gear are tools. Westside lifters are brutally strong and use that strength and tools to be able to lift even more weight than she hey could without the tools. It's really pretty clear if you look at it objectively

disagree that t r t is risk free and totally safe.

did predict that people would read my post and infuse conclusions that a careful reading of my words would show to not actually be conclusions that I made

[Les Hahn]

I benched 600 in high school.

I did 600kg, but then I snap the shit out of my shoulder.

[Les Hahn]

Never said westside invented using steroids just that it helped make steroids be cool.

Never said you don't need to be brutally strong to lift at westside just that westsiders train to use tools rather than display raw strength. Tools allow them to lift more weight than they could lift without using them. Humans use tools to do work we could not normally do. Lifting gear are tools.

disagree that t r t is risk free and totally safe.

did predict that people would read my post and infuse conclusions that a careful reading of my words would show to not actually be conclusions that I made

What I am trying to say is that even though they train with 'tools' their raw strength continues to go up (at least to some point). It isn't like they are raw benching all the time, but in the process of slowly adding weight to their shirted bench, raw is moving up too.

[Meshuggah]

Some people need to get a clue:

1930's
During the 1930s, scientists discovered that anabolic steroids could facilitate the growth of skeletal muscle in laboratory animals, which led to abuse of the compounds first by bodybuilders and weightlifters and then by athletes in other sports.

[OZ-USF-UFGator]

What I am trying to say is that even though they train with 'tools' their raw strength continues to go up (at least to some point). It isn't like they are raw benching all the time, but in the process of slowly adding weight to their shirted bench, raw is moving up too.

I understand this but the use of tools is one reason I hate power lifting. Federations that allow tools are no longer directly testing an accurate metric of the limit of human strength. It was over for me when I saw a 130 ish pound 13 year old girl on a video bench press 300 pounds The sport list 100% credibility with me at that point. Like get the fuck out of here. Haha

[OCG]

Steroids, used properly, are safe.

And how often does that happen?

[OZ-USF-UFGator]

If you aver that steroids are safe than you have acc as to better info than the pharmaceutical companies that make them. Ever read the published acknowledged risks of t r t? And that is pharmaceutical grade the quality and risk plummet from there.

[marcf]

If you aver that steroids are safe than you have acc as to better info than the pharmaceutical companies that make them. Ever read the published acknowledged risks of t r t? And that is pharmaceutical grade the quality and risk plummet from there.

Half your posts on this site are about how much you freak out at the thought of TRT and steroids.

[Simon Rest]