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    Coaches at a gym i've been attending recently have advised to change my deadlift form (hips too high, too much use of back and not enough leg push) and they have been trained by Joe DeFranco certified staff.

    I've posted my form within the technique forum but wanted to open the discussion about the fundamental differences between SS and Joe DeF deadlifts.

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    Post a video of a 600 deadlift coming off the floor with low hips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Post a video of a 600 deadlift coming off the floor with low hips.
    This.
    Joe Defranco does not use a particularly low hip setup in the linked video. His stance is wider than I would use, but otherwise not much I can see to criticize. When I watch lifters who set up with low hips pull near limit weights I see a lot of motion between starting to straighten the legs and the bar actually rising. During all this moving around their hips end up high, and their back becomes more horizontal. If they have slightly compromised low back awareness their low back also ends up rounded. They may be able to lift more this way by getting something of a dynamic start. obvious downsides include pulling with a rounded back, and significant variation in the form of the lift between heavy attempts and lighter training. If you try changing your setup be sure to video both a moderate and heavy pull and compare them frame by frame. If you set up well they will look similar except for the speed.

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    Just a jackass who likes to think about stuff here, but I think it sounds like what's going on might be these trainers are coaching the back angle in the deadlift. You yourself might have longer legs and a shorter torso, and thus end up with a more horizontal angle (and thus hips more "up"), which they are calling "hips too high". It looks like DeFranco is the opposite, with shorter legs and a more lengthy torso. His hips aren't really too low or too high, just where they end up based on his own proportions. His setup in the video seems to be pretty similar to the method SS outlines. Or you may in fact be doing what he says in the video and rounding your lower back, which is the thing he's actually cautioning against there, not necessarily your hips being too far up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James7 View Post
    wanted to open the discussion about the fundamental differences between SS and Joe DeF deadlifts. Cheers.
    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald Boggs View Post
    Why?
    i'd like to increase my knowledge sufficiently to be able to say i'm sticking with SS thank you and this is why.....

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    Read the book. It's all there. Then read DeFranco's book. Piece of cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James7 View Post
    i'd like to increase my knowledge sufficiently to be able to say i'm sticking with SS thank you and this is why.....
    We don't know what his claims are except what he posted of the video.

    If you want to ask a specific question or a form check and then ask a question about your form, most of us would be happy to answer.

    But you've kind of just asked "What do you think of Joe DeFranco's deadlift teaching?" to which the answer is "well we like the deadlift like this, that's why we're on this forum advocating for it"

    Again, if you have a specific question, please ask it. I'd be happy to answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Read the book. It's all there. Then read DeFranco's book. Piece of cake.
    Thanks Mark.

    I appreciate that self learning is a prerequisite within SS, and I do own copies of both SSBBT and PPST, but sometimes a succinct response from you would be appreciated.

    My next coaching is in a couple of days so I don't have the time, nor inclination, to purchase and digest his book by then.


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    Quote Originally Posted by James7 View Post
    I appreciate that self learning is a prerequisite within SS, and I do own copies of both SSBBT and PPST, but sometimes a succinct response from you would be appreciated.
    Had a succinct question been asked, I might have provided a succinct answer.

    My next coaching is in a couple of days so I don't have the time, nor inclination, to purchase and digest his book by then.
    I'll save you some time: he doesn't have one.

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