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    Quote Originally Posted by Soule View Post
    Donít let the fuckers crack your neck. Look up ďchiropractor and strokesĒ
    When you do you will find that most of this is a myth. If it was so common then why do chiropractors pay on y about $4,000 a year in malpractice insurance when just general MD's pay tens of thousands?

    If strokes from neck adjustments where anywhere near as dangerous as you claim don't you think there would be malpractice suits everywhere. Do you really think lawyers would pass up on a sure thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oso Rojo View Post
    When you do you will find that most of this is a myth. If it was so common then why do chiropractors pay on y about $4,000 a year in malpractice insurance when just general MD's pay tens of thousands?

    If strokes from neck adjustments where anywhere near as dangerous as you claim don't you think there would be malpractice suits everywhere. Do you really think lawyers would pass up on a sure thing?
    I donít really claim anything about the frequency in which this occurs; however, a good friend of mineís sister had a stroke a day after getting her neck adjusted. Thatís enough for me to say fuck getting your neck cracked.

    Do you think a high velocity neck crank is a safe for the blood vessels in the back of your neck? We donít allow even slow neck cranks at my BJJ academy.

    I believe that some chiropractorís donít even do neck adjustments, but I donít really know.

    The potential dangers of neck manipulation & risk for dissection and devastating stroke: An illustrative case & review of the literature

    Chiropractic neck adjustments linked to stroke - Harvard Health

    Could Chiropractic Manipulation of Your Neck Trigger a Stroke? Ė WebMD

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    hahaha, you might want to read the studies before you link to them to support your opinion.

    The Harvard study says, "It's not clear whether the neck therapy causes the problem or if the pain from a tear might prompt people to seek out such treatment." So they are saying it may or may not even be related to the neck therapy.

    WebMD says ""Two studies that have come out recently said that there is no evidence that the force or direction utilized in cervical manipulation reaches the threshold of stretching the arteries to the point that they can be damaged," he said, adding that professionals who perform neck adjustments apply force that is "no greater than what people can do in activities of daily life." So after the wild headlines that smack of professional bickering between MDs and DCs they back pedal and say there is "no evidence."

    A second point about the WebMD article, this is over five years old and there still are no new studies with better data? When you can't collect data that says something happens, it's likely not that common to happen.

    BTW, the NIH article brings out the best point, "... we encourage increased communication between chiropractic and medical colleagues." Any doctor of any kind should be doing though intake of history and other conditions both treated and untreated. They even comment on doctors cross diagnosis of greater problems and advising the patient to get emergency care before treatment. Part of why there is so little data linking strokes to cervical adjustment is because all states hold DCs accountable to diagnosis of more serious problems and referencing them to the appropriate healthcare provider.

    None of these article link cervical adjustments to creating strokes. They all caution that if your are predisposed to a stroke then it may be contributory. Which is the formal way of saying they don't know, but that patients with strokes sometimes say a chiropractor. Well patients with stroke also sometimes drove automobiles, but that doesn't say the car caused the stroke. Until someone creates an authoritative peer reviewed study then all you have is anecdotal data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oso Rojo View Post
    Until someone creates an authoritative peer reviewed study then all you have is anecdotal data.
    Here is an alternative to this statement: let's say you work in the ER of a major market hospital, and 90% -- or even 30%, or maybe even 10% -- of the stroke patients you see had just come from the Chiropractor. Would a peer-reviewed study be necessary for you to associate cervical manipulation with the risk of stroke? Obviously not. But this is not the case, not at all. And if it were, there would be no cervical adjustments by Chiropractors.

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    Oso,

    I think that you are misunderstanding my opinion on the subject. I realize that you have some skin in the game with your wife being a chiro, correct? Iím sorry that i referred to them as ďfuckersĒ and Iím sure sheís a nice lady. Quite honestly Iíd rather have a female chiro crack my neck, since they would likely apply less force than a male, generally speaking.

    Like I said, I know a healthy female in her mid 30s who had a stroke a day after getting her neck adjusted. This made me question whether or not a neck adjustment can cause a stroke. The links i provided support that question, they do not provide a direct cause/effect relationship because there simply isnít enough data on the subject, but there is enough correlation for several scholarly sources to look into this occurrence.

    My own n=1 experience with a neck adjustment left me in much more pain for a long period of time. So for me, this shit isnít worth the risk.

    Iíll likely seek out a chiro again in the future, as Iíve been told theyíre good with certain things like acute back pain, but I will skip the neck adjustment. Iím not trying to put your wife out of business; Iím just not convinced that neck adjustments do more good than harm. Then again, maybe I just donít like giving people control of my neck

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    Outstanding thread. Learning a lot here. Didnít know about the (possible) stroke correlation.

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