Mike Pence refuses to wear face mask at Mayo clinic....WTF?!!

[VNV]

Not much left to this article if you cut out the advice about what experts say others should be doing elsewhere.

Citizen T-shirt looks like he just got back from the first mow of the year to give oxygen-enriched blood.

Smell the grass? Cause it’s certainly in the air.

[Mainstream]

[QUOTE=jfsully;1770618]Why would evolution “care” if you lived a day after raising viable offspring?

By what mechanism will wearing masks cause negative consequences? Do you believe that training, nutrition/supplements, and/or medical treatment can ever prolong or improve quality of life? Isn’t that unnatural?[/QUOTE

We are trying to recreate the evolutionary experience by training which civilization has fundamentally altered and made "un-natural"...when we take supplements we are ingesting substances that we are evolutionarily designed to ingest for optimal functioning..that modern food sources may not have...medical treatment is mostly necessary because modern living has fucked us up and taken us away from a lifestyle were were naturally designed for...

If your theory is true then humans would be like praying mantises and devour the male right after mating ...you said a day after raising viable offspring...raising viable offspring ,especially human offspring, who have such an extended adolescence is quite a lengthy undertaking with even grandparents contributing significantly to " raising viable offspring "....

"Care" is not the right word...the term is we are evolutionarily equipped TO SURVIVE not only at the specie level but at the individual level...shit at the CELLULAR LEVEL TOO.. ALL levels...that is how Nature CARES by equipping us with a will to survive and all the biological mechanisms necessary to carry that out

[Soule]

I too think it best to prioritize appearance and conformance with the sensibilities of those who hate me.

Do you think that only liberals are influenced by the liberal media? Where you once a young person with no political affiliation that heard things on the news and thought they were true?

[VNV]

Also, apparently, masks are the new form of virtue signaling. That, and it makes people feel like they’re part of something larger.

[TDinBristol]

The paper surgical masks now mandatory for staff in hospitals are best at keeping germs in. That's why surgeons wear them, it's not to keep the surgeon healthy, it's to keep the surgeon's germs out of the surgical field.

Whether it makes sense to wear masks in public, if you are already keeping your distance, and whether it offers you any protection to wear a mask of your own, is debatable. It probably helps a little.

What's not debatable is whether you should wear a mask around immunocompromised people, like many people hospitalized for cancer treatment. Staff wearing masks and PPE is a year-round life-long practice for hospital staff caring for immunosuppressed cancer patients. Even if Pence were swabbed and negative for Corona that morning, it's a dick move not to wear a mask in that setting. There are lots of other things that can be passed around. People with immunosuppression due to chemotherapy are told not to eat raw fruits and vegetables, to avoid crowds, avoid picking up dog poop, etc. etc., regardless and not specific to covid or coronavirus. If you don't have an immune system working, the regular common cold can become a life-threatening pneumonia easily.

We don't know if the "patient" in the photos was immunocompromised or not, but if you're visiting the cancer center these days, you wear a mask. Unless you're a psychopath or maybe just a douchebag trying to score political points in some way.

Oh, and "Nature" doesn't care if you live or die, or what's best for you. You are grist for the mill as far as Nature is concerned. If you are "cautious" to add man-made "improvements" to evolution, you should probably forego heating and cooling your home, using electricity, using pharmaceuticals of any kind, and training with barbells, to name just a few unnatural things. I don't recommend this, as most of these "unnatural" developments are fantastic, but if you think that wearing a mask is somehow a crime against "nature," you are just scratching the surface. "Natural" life expectancy of human beings is probably around 30. Personally, I'm in favor of using any and all reasonable means to surpass that by a long way.

And if your mask prevents the free flow of atmospheric gases, it's not a surgical mask. It might be a plastic bag. Please follow the label instructions.

Thank you, Dr. Sullivan.

[Mainstream]

I believe long term and chronic use of masks will inhibit full removal of CO2 which will have consequences , some obvious, some unforeseen....we now have plenty of guinea pigs so we should know shortly....it might have both acute effects like people falling asleep and accidents to chronic like lung and heart disease...and unforeseen, say it raises the temperature of our oral and nasal passages making us more susceptible to bacterial overgrowth and its effects like tooth decay...or more sinus infections...Idk but it will be something

[VNV]

Why would evolution “care” if you lived a day after raising viable offspring?

By what mechanism will wearing masks cause negative consequences? Do you believe that training, nutrition/supplements, and/or medical treatment can ever prolong or improve quality of life? Isn’t that unnatural?

1. Can Nature care? The more complex the species, the longer the “training”. Very gauzy and non-binary (!). If anything (this is the tragic part), Nature would keep us poor parents around as long as possible, given the inevitable stupidity of all offspring.

2. Conformance. Automatic mask-wearing will significantly increase the quisling component of society. History has shown this to be a very natural un-good.

[TDinBristol]

I agree. But why would you immediately assume Pence is the dick? It's not his hospital, he's being accompanied by medical personnel who have the authority to have him wear a mask, and he's a famously nice man who is polite and kind to everybody. Were it that important that he wear a mask, and if he absolutely refused to wear a mask, why was he permitted in the room where he was gotcha-ed? This is media/bureaucracy bullshit, and surely you know this.

Terrible reasoning. Please listen to the expert instead of falling back on the tired “media/bureacracy” argument. You endlessly position yourself as an infalliblle expert on weightlifting (which is fine; it simply suggests there is actually something known as expertise), then blow off the expert who actually went to medical school. Nice to have it both ways!

[bikesandcars]

You guys are so funny, you act like they don't get tested and everyone near them doesn't get tested and/or they don't already have the vaccine.

They are the ruling class, they have access to whatever care they need and they know more than we know. Take their cue (but maybe at your peril because we really DON'T know what they know).

If we had a vaccine who do you think gets it first?? Do you think they are going to tell everyone about it?

[Soule]

I believe long term and chronic use of masks will inhibit full removal of CO2 which will have consequences , some obvious, some unforeseen....we now have plenty of guinea pigs so we should know shortly....it might have both acute effects like people falling asleep and accidents to chronic like lung and heart disease...and unforeseen, say it raises the temperature of our oral and nasal passages making us more susceptible to bacterial overgrowth and its effects like tooth decay...or more sinus infections...Idk but it will be something

Your use of ellipsis is interesting...