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    Quote Originally Posted by darrowdisciple View Post
    In what alternative country to the United States does anyone have the right to make someone else even a little bit sick recklessly?
    In all countries, including the US. Otherwise we would all be forced to wear masks and physically distance, all the time, or at least during the flu season. Remember, the flu kills upwards of 60k people annually in this country alone. Are you suggesting that the lives lost to the flu don't matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank_B View Post
    This is a cute analogy, but the presumption you make is that you know the true nature of the reality of the situation, and the opposition is just a bunch of schizophrenics. While I admit it's true that there are some on here who are in flat out denial that there is even a virus, the real underpinnings of this argument are rooted in something far less psychotic. In fact, depending on how one views the situation, you might argue that "our" side is more compassionate, despite perhaps being less tangible.

    I've brought this up in the other thread before, but I'll bring it up again to make my point:

    We know that a 20 year lockdown would simply not be worth it. We intuitively understand that 20 years being locked down would create enormous economic and social effects that would outweigh the total damage of the virus. This would probably hold true even of a virus that was three times as deadly as some of the worst COVID-19 predictions. People who are pro-lockdown argue, though, that 2-3 months (or wherever we're at right now) is too short. So, somewhere between 3 months and 20 years of lockdown, there is a line in which we all intuitively understand that the socio-economic damage from a lockdown is too great. Why has no one advocating for a lockdown even examined where this line is? If they have, I would love to know where the line is approximated at. You all have accepted every statistic about the spread of COVID-19, the infection rate, the fatality rate, etc., but have not asked a single question about the back end cost. That cost is in lives, too, and quite frankly, it'll be much younger lives.

    Three years from now, when a 40 year old husband father of three who opened his new restaurant in January of 2020 blows his brains out because he was forced to shut down his restaurant, the business went under, the unemployment websites were down, his family is hungry, and all he's got is a life insurance policy with his name on it, then that should be considered a "lockdown death." The problem: You people won't track that statistic. You won't even give it the time of day, because it is completely out of sight and out of mind for you.

    Four years from now, when the 45 year old chronic pain patient who couldn't go to their chiropractor, massage therapist, gym, yoga class, etc.., and has instead turned to opioids to treat their pain, sticks the fentanyl-laden needle in their arm and dies, you won't attribute that to the lockdown. Why? It's just a stinky, dead fucking addict in the streets. You don't know their backstory, so how could we possibly call that a COVID-19 death? Yet, a guy who shows up at the hospital with trouble breathing and dies? That's an automatic +1 for your treasured body count.

    The 36 year old man who finally sees his doctor in September because he's had a lump on his right testicle, but couldn't get it checked when he noticed it in March, finds out he's got an aggressive form of testicular cancer. Maybe in March it was Stage I or II. In August, the diagnosis is grim: He'll be dead by 2021.

    I could go on and on and on for days about these little corner cases and niche scenarios. The reality is that they are going to rapidly start growing. They will not be instantaneous deaths. The shock value will not be nearly as sensational as today's COVID-19 death toll we get to salivate over when we wake up and drink our coffee. You'll just see half of them on an episode of LivePD a few years from now and go, "What the fuck is wrong with people?"

    Furthermore, might I remind you that the lockdown was designed to "flatten the curve." We widely understood that the infectious nature of the disease meant MOST people were going to get the virus. We just didn't want to overwhelm the health care system. That was the line most people bought into. So, the reality is that the people who will likely contract the virus and die from it, will probably do so anyway. We just don't want them clogging shit up at the hospitals because that's messy.

    If you take the above and then couple it with the ability of people to seemingly blindly accept that this lockdown business is the best thing for us, you're also giving up your freedoms without so much as a fight. Now, I know some people are passive about this. I'm guilty of this in the past. After 9/11, I thought, "Well, hell yeah, we gotta stop those terrorists." 20 years later and the Senate has just voted to allow the FBI to look at your browser history without a warrant... In what America does that even remotely seem Constitutional? But, in the name of fear, we all accepted this, and barely even bat an eyelash any longer when the government decides to do something to take away our freedoms. Sure, they have to put the word "terrorism" somewhere in the bill, but that's all it takes. The same will go for the words "pandemic," "COVID-19," etc... As long as they preface their bills with these buzzwords, you all will let them do anything.

    There is a cost to this lockdown. You have not even begun to ask what that cost is. You are so blindly following the line that the virus must be stopped at all costs. The problem with stopping things at all costs is that we often go into debt to pay those costs. That debt is going to come in the form of tragic, isolated deaths that you people will not even begin to acknowledge as being related to your precious lockdown. And all for what? So that we can all celebrate flattening the curve, putting tens of millions out of work, and still having the same basic outcome?

    Perhaps you're the schizophrenic unable to clearly see a reality outside of what's been fed to you.
    This! I mentioned briefly in the main thread, but I’ll say it again, I’ve been turned down for medical treatment twice since this started.

    First a month ago when I had a lump pushing against my Adam’s apple every time I spoke, my pcp, ent, and endocrinologist were all only taking video appts, and my endo said no tech will give me an ultrasound or ct scan for that at the moment.

    The second one posed/poses a much more immediate threat to me: I woke the other day with my left kneecap swollen and painful, went to a walk-in and got diagnosed with bursitis, given ibuprofen. Next morning my entire leg from knee down to my calf was the size of one of those obese people, you know the ones with those massive calves, and covered in red blotches, while I was drenched in sweat and shivering. I go to another walk-in and Found out it was badly infected, given a shot of antibiotics and two oral prescriptions. The next day my leg was even more red, and not any better so I make an appointment with an orthopedic doctor who came in and told me it doesn’t look like the antibiotics are working and I may have a blood clot in my leg. Due to the covid pandemic the doctor did not want to drain my softball sized knee because of all the red tape involved going to the OR at the moment, so he left it. Furthermore, after informing me that if it’s a blood clot it could kill me (I’m 28, my grandfather had his first heart attack at 30), he tried to book an ultrasound but the department only works for a very brief shift now because of covid, and were closed. When I suggested going to the er, the doctor reluctantly said “you don’t want to go there with all that’s going on right now” and had me wait it out to see if it got any better in four days. After a day I posted this on the forum, and rip yelled at me to get my ass to the er, so I did. (I never told my parents or anyone else, I live alone, because didn’t want to stress them out) The er was fucking empty, so was the whole hospital it seemed! I had my ultrasound, no clot, got an iv antibiotic and my knee drained, feeling much much better today. If I wasn’t a pain in the ass this infection could have spread and potentially killed me! Or if it was a blood clot, it also could have killed me!! That whole fucking situation was so much more dangerous to me than covid and I am pissed about it.

    What you said is such a true point, nobody either has the access to, or has been fearmongered into not wanting to get weird shit checked out! Rip often mentions melanoma, you’re testicular cancer example is very real too, along with the lump I have in my neck and the shit going on with my leg. The fact that some people ignore the consequences outside of the narrow scope of immidiate covid deaths is fucking infuriating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank_B View Post
    Perhaps you're the schizophrenic unable to clearly see a reality outside of what's been fed to you.
    The issue is how most media outlets have framed the situation. Framing is the actual business of the media. CNN, MSNBC, Fox, the Daily Wire, The Federalist, right-wing, left-wing, you name it, frame a story so the viewer can insert themselves into the role of the good guy. People want affirmation that they're the protagonist. It's very important to remember that Hitler and the National Socialists thought that they were the good guys, all the way until the end.

    That's why debating and arguing with these people is primarily for the benefit of the unseen, silent observer. You will not convince darrow and the rest that they are wrong. They've sunk too much of their psyche into believing they're the super hero. But if they are mocked and their foolishness is exposed, people will slowly start to understand what's going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnsonville View Post
    This! I mentioned briefly in the main thread, but I’ll say it again, I’ve been turned down for medical treatment twice since this started.

    First a month ago when I had a lump pushing against my Adam’s apple every time I spoke, my pcp, ent, and endocrinologist were all only taking video appts, and my endo said no tech will give me an ultrasound or ct scan for that at the moment.

    The second one posed/poses a much more immediate threat to me: I woke the other day with my left kneecap swollen and painful, went to a walk-in and got diagnosed with bursitis, given ibuprofen. Next morning my entire leg from knee down to my calf was the size of one of those obese people, you know the ones with those massive calves, and covered in red blotches, while I was drenched in sweat and shivering. I go to another walk-in and Found out it was badly infected, given a shot of antibiotics and two oral prescriptions. The next day my leg was even more red, and not any better so I make an appointment with an orthopedic doctor who came in and told me it doesn’t look like the antibiotics are working and I may have a blood clot in my leg. Due to the covid pandemic the doctor did not want to drain my softball sized knee because of all the red tape involved going to the OR at the moment, so he left it. Furthermore, after informing me that if it’s a blood clot it could kill me (I’m 28, my grandfather had his first heart attack at 30), he tried to book an ultrasound but the department only works for a very brief shift now because of covid, and were closed. When I suggested going to the er, the doctor reluctantly said “you don’t want to go there with all that’s going on right now” and had me wait it out to see if it got any better in four days. After a day I posted this on the forum, and rip yelled at me to get my ass to the er, so I did. (I never told my parents or anyone else, I live alone, because didn’t want to stress them out) The er was fucking empty, so was the whole hospital it seemed! I had my ultrasound, no clot, got an iv antibiotic and my knee drained, feeling much much better today. If I wasn’t a pain in the ass this infection could have spread and potentially killed me! Or if it was a blood clot, it also could have killed me!! That whole fucking situation was so much more dangerous to me than covid and I am pissed about it.

    What you said is such a true point, nobody either has the access to, or has been fearmongered into not wanting to get weird shit checked out! Rip often mentions melanoma, you’re testicular cancer example is very real too, along with the lump I have in my neck and the shit going on with my leg. The fact that some people ignore the consequences outside of the narrow scope of immidiate covid deaths is fucking infuriating.
    Thanks!

    I saw your post on the other thread and was wondering what had happened to your leg. Glad to hear you got it checked and all is well! Now get that lump in your neck checked...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank_B View Post
    Thanks!

    I saw your post on the other thread and was wondering what had happened to your leg. Glad to hear you got it checked and all is well! Now get that lump in your neck checked...
    Thanks frank, I appreciate it. The neck is next week; lesson learned, I have to be a pain in the ass apparnatly to get doctors to do anything.

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    I have read a lot on this subject. Who knew the most honest argument for opening our country would be found on Starting Strength?

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