Yeah but I’ve seen even sully say he does a cycle of 531 a year. I’ve tried it and it didn’t work for me, I definitely prefer the higher intensity programs, but I see some post novices claim to have good results from them. The fact that Chris cuomo follows 531 is enough for me to turn away, as much as I like Wendler. Then there are programs like mass made simple Dan John swears by, but I honestly think Dan is enough of a genetic freak that he can do just about any program and do well on it.