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    There are other places on the Internet to go to that have differing ideas on the SRA cycle. Places were people exchange training thoughts without fear of being accused of poor reading comprehension. Some used to post here and some were even SSCs. A lot of us broke ourselves trying to make Practical Programming work.
    Developing tendinopathies is no way to go through life. May I suggest perhaps an alternative to Texas? I hear Montana is nice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devyn Stewart View Post
    I am sick and tired of everything that is happening right now in my lifting life. I don't seem to be getting any stronger, and I seem to be accruing more and more injuries. My left shoulder hurts like hell right now, and it has ever since Saturday when I pressed 137.5. It hurts to press. My shoulders hurt. Always. I shrug, I keep over mid-foot, I record myself, I do everything I'm supposed to do, and it still just fucking hurts. Deadlift is the same damn way. I try so hard to get it perfect, but I'm just no good at it. My back is still never extended, and it just hurts and is never consistent. Hell, I'm not any good at any of the lifts.
    I couldn't have said it better myself. Just add snatch and clean and jerk to the mix to find out just how much you truly suck at life. Do you read my log? Pop a few of Zolofts and take a gander. The whole thing's a shitshow, but the stuff from 2013-2015 is especially discouraging to read. PS I haven't had a meaningful PR in nearly two years.....life sucks...


    Quote Originally Posted by Devyn Stewart View Post
    This isn't how I expected to spend the end of my teens, and I sure as hell don't plan to spend my 20s with nothing but injuries and disappointments.
    First, this better than trying to download a few jpegs scanned from 1990s Playboys on a 56k modem, so you're ahead of me at least. That said, it's going to get much much worse, I assure you, as you plod further along into the bleak infinite darkness that is the human condition. Only the injuries will be much more serious than an inflamed supraspinatus tendon; they will cut not your body but your soul. Also, know what sucks more than not being able to squat or dead 4 wheels? Actually doing it, and then realizing that it doesn't even matter in the end.


    Quote Originally Posted by Devyn Stewart View Post
    I'm tired of looking in the mirror and seeing a fatass.
    Diet and condition. Push that Prowler, do some complexes, and diet diet diet. Or not. Chicks love dad bods, right? The 2nd-tier ones that go to ComicCon in a slave Leia costume and pander to nerds, they pretend to like them anyway. But cereally though, don't fatfuck yourself. Mostly because your clothes won't fit right, and fashion is important (to me anyway....there's an older thread in Rip's Q&A where I gave some futile advice to some goons on how to buy a suit)


    Quote Originally Posted by Devyn Stewart View Post
    I'm just not getting out of it what I put in, and I don't know what to do about it, but just sticking with it and trying harder isn't doing it. Maybe I just need a break from it or something; I don't know. It's just that for nearly the entire duration of LP after I squatted ~310x5x3, I've dreaded every workout I perform. I dread the fear of failure and the feeling that even when I hit my weights that I'm harming my body. I'm not even sure that's a feeling anymore; it feels just like an irrefutable fact. Like, how far am I willing to go for so little progress?
    There used to be a guy with a blog called Ruin Christmas who did a 12-week cycle and at the meet itself PR'ed his squat by like 5lbs (squatting in the high 400s though, at....181?). He calculated that his squat went up by like 0.002lbs for every hour he spent in the gym. The short story is, this hobby stops being practical after a while, i.e. if you can squat 315 now, there will probably never come the day when you can't get off the toilet, but anything beyond that probably net increases the chances of something bad happening to you. You start entering the land of masochistic Spergs, and if you don't at least pop a semi at the thought of being rolled over by that boulder you're trying to push up the hill, it's going to get real old real fast.


    Quote Originally Posted by Devyn Stewart View Post
    I wouldn't have believed that I would make such horrible decisions that that would be the outcome. What kind of self-loathing moron would make that trade? Not me, and I'm not so sure I want to do what I'm doing anymore.
    Lord have mercy you are the 2nd coming of Brent Kim! He was a legendary lifter from the Dark Ages, before all the rises and falls of barbells were chronicled in the annals of Instagram...i.e. 2011-2014 or so..... One fitful night, Bront the Wise was caught in the throes of a fitful ZMA-induced dream when he woke, truly woke, and realized that indeed, only a self-loathing moron could Faust his way to barbell glory. (He also wrote a lot of gym-themed porn about himself and some co-worker at the medical center he worked at but that's neither here nor there.) The reality of the situation is that this hobby is for those of us who are so dead and empty inside that we need the jolt of of a 500lb barbell coming down onto our squishy mortal bodies in order to feel...well, anything. We keep coming back for more because the temporary sensation of living is addictive, but really, it's just a cheap imitation of what a normal person experiences 24/7.

    He faded away a few years back, because of the whole "He's the hero we deserve but not the hero we need" thing. Also, I think he got a girlfriend and quit lifting weights altogether so that he'd have more time to go to Vietnamese and Thai restaurants in the Dallas/FtWorth area, so that's one way to do it I guess.


    Welcome to the fail club!
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    Jokes aside, don't bang your head on stuff that isn't working, train around injuries instead of through them, and just embrace that after a while, training sucks but you gotta do it because the alternative is even worse. And read my log. There are a few press PR's buried in there somewhere, I swear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by augeleven View Post
    There are other places on the Internet to go to that have differing ideas on the SRA cycle. Places were people exchange training thoughts without fear of being accused of poor reading comprehension. Some used to post here and some were even SSCs. A lot of us broke ourselves trying to make Practical Programming work.
    Developing tendinopathies is no way to go through life. May I suggest perhaps an alternative to Texas? I hear Montana is nice...
    I assume you're talking about Barbell Medicine? I'm not really aware of the history of all SS dissenters. I don't even necessarily mean to rag on SS as an organization, just that it has really beaten me up. And I've heard of the Montana Method, but I don't actually know what it is. I was thinking of doing some of Greg Nuckols' stuff after my deload.

    Quote Originally Posted by stuffedsuperdud View Post
    I couldn't have said it better myself. Just add snatch and clean and jerk to the mix to find out just how much you truly suck at life. Do you read my log? Pop a few of Zolofts and take a gander. The whole thing's a shitshow, but the stuff from 2013-2015 is especially discouraging to read. PS I haven't had a meaningful PR in nearly two years.....life sucks...




    First, this better than trying to download a few jpegs scanned from 1990s Playboys on a 56k modem, so you're ahead of me at least. That said, it's going to get much much worse, I assure you, as you plod further along into the bleak infinite darkness that is the human condition. Only the injuries will be much more serious than an inflamed supraspinatus tendon; they will cut not your body but your soul. Also, know what sucks more than not being able to squat or dead 4 wheels? Actually doing it, and then realizing that it doesn't even matter in the end.




    Diet and condition. Push that Prowler, do some complexes, and diet diet diet. Or not. Chicks love dad bods, right? The 2nd-tier ones that go to ComicCon in a slave Leia costume and pander to nerds, they pretend to like them anyway. But cereally though, don't fatfuck yourself. Mostly because your clothes won't fit right, and fashion is important (to me anyway....there's an older thread in Rip's Q&A where I gave some futile advice to some goons on how to buy a suit)




    There used to be a guy with a blog called Ruin Christmas who did a 12-week cycle and at the meet itself PR'ed his squat by like 5lbs (squatting in the high 400s though, at....181?). He calculated that his squat went up by like 0.002lbs for every hour he spent in the gym. The short story is, this hobby stops being practical after a while, i.e. if you can squat 315 now, there will probably never come the day when you can't get off the toilet, but anything beyond that probably net increases the chances of something bad happening to you. You start entering the land of masochistic Spergs, and if you don't at least pop a semi at the thought of being rolled over by that boulder you're trying to push up the hill, it's going to get real old real fast.




    Lord have mercy you are the 2nd coming of Brent Kim! He was a legendary lifter from the Dark Ages, before all the rises and falls of barbells were chronicled in the annals of Instagram...i.e. 2011-2014 or so..... One fitful night, Bront the Wise was caught in the throes of a fitful ZMA-induced dream when he woke, truly woke, and realized that indeed, only a self-loathing moron could Faust his way to barbell glory. (He also wrote a lot of gym-themed porn about himself and some co-worker at the medical center he worked at but that's neither here nor there.) The reality of the situation is that this hobby is for those of us who are so dead and empty inside that we need the jolt of of a 500lb barbell coming down onto our squishy mortal bodies in order to feel...well, anything. We keep coming back for more because the temporary sensation of living is addictive, but really, it's just a cheap imitation of what a normal person experiences 24/7.

    He faded away a few years back, because of the whole "He's the hero we deserve but not the hero we need" thing. Also, I think he got a girlfriend and quit lifting weights altogether so that he'd have more time to go to Vietnamese and Thai restaurants in the Dallas/FtWorth area, so that's one way to do it I guess.


    Welcome to the fail club!
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    .
    .
    Jokes aside, don't bang your head on stuff that isn't working, train around injuries instead of through them, and just embrace that after a while, training sucks but you gotta do it because the alternative is even worse. And read my log. There are a few press PR's buried in there somewhere, I swear.
    I don't know that I'm quite that pessimistic about it all. If it gets to the point where I PR once every year, that's not the end of the world for me. Hopefully I'll be squatting in the low 4s and deadlifting in the high 4s by then, maybe even benching in the high 2s, but my genetics for that lift are so trash, so I'm not holding my breath.

    I've also got a lot going on outside of lifting. I don't look to lifting as an escape; I just really like it, or at least I used to. I'd like to get back to that point soon. But no, I wouldn't say that I need lifting to get away from my life. I've got a life that I really enjoy.

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    Just coming back to the 8/5/2 thing, his programs cost, but he blog's about them enough that you can piece something together based off the general principles. He just posted one a couple of weeks ago that included a full sample of a 4 day "power building" program that you could pretty much lift straight from the blog if you're so inclined. Again, just an idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devyn Stewart View Post
    I assume you're talking about Barbell Medicine? I'm not really aware of the history of all SS dissenters. I don't even necessarily mean to rag on SS as an organization, just that it has really beaten me up. And I've heard of the Montana Method, but I don't actually know what it is. I was thinking of doing some of Greg Nuckols' stuff after my deload.
    Greg Nuckolsí programs are excellent and wonít beat you into the ground. Progression is straightforward on his programs as heís a big fan of AMRAP sets (to the edge of form breakdown not complete failure). Montana method is very good too but you might find loading progression a bit trickier coming from PPST3. augeleven isnít referring to BBM.

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    02/10/2019

    Bench: 180x5x5
    CG bench: 145x8x2, 145x11
    Deadlift: 310x4x4
    BB curls: 65x10x2, 65x8x2

    Notes:

    Took much smaller amount of rest than normal, and it felt great. I was so sick of waiting 10 minutes+ between sets. Workout took <90 minutes, which is a marked improvement over the 2.5+ hours the end of LP would take.

    I am very much a beginner to curls. I've done them before, but not for well over a year. Might have gone a little heavier than I should have, but live and learn. I'll stick with 65 until I'm getting sets of 12.

    I don't know if this kind of programming is going to work better than what I was doing before, but after 1 workout, I sure am enjoying it a lot more.

    Weight loss: I haven't lost any weight (weighed in a 234 this morning, my starting point), but it has only been 4 days. I was drinking 8 cups of whole milk a day, and I am now drinking 8 cups of skim milk a day. Not a huge change, so perhaps I will reduce a bit more if I don't see the scale moving soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devyn Stewart View Post
    I don't know that I'm quite that pessimistic about it all. If it gets to the point where I PR once every year, that's not the end of the world for me. Hopefully I'll be squatting in the low 4s and deadlifting in the high 4s by then, maybe even benching in the high 2s, but my genetics for that lift are so trash, so I'm not holding my breath.

    I've also got a lot going on outside of lifting. I don't look to lifting as an escape; I just really like it, or at least I used to. I'd like to get back to that point soon. But no, I wouldn't say that I need lifting to get away from my life. I've got a life that I really enjoy.

    I didn't mean that lifting is an escape from life. It's quite the opposite, actually: we are already dead from glimpsing into the infinite nothingness of the human condition, and barbells are our way of getting back INTO life. It doesn't work, of course, but we keep trying. It sounds like you don't need this though, so for you I'd recommend quitting. Like I said, you're already strong enough that unless you suffer a major injury or something, you're probably already strong enough that there will never come the day where you can't get off the toilet. So quit. Go play some golf, chat up some bishes on Tinder, join a kickball-and-beer league. Lift casually if you feel like it just to make sure you can still squat 300, and then move on. Anything but this nonsense. Cereally, this is a prison; you don't want to end up here.

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    I really think we've got a different perspective on this, Superdud. I really enjoyed lifting at one point, and I'm working on getting back there again. I don't really believe that there is emptiness in the human condition, but that's an entirely different conversation. I aim in life to spend my time doing things that fulfill me, and barbell training does that. There's something I really enjoy about being stronger than I have to be, not just treading water at a 300 lbs squat. I'd much rather train for an hour than chase ass on Tinder or go out drinking.

    My statement about being strong enough already was more about how my current training was causing me injury. I very much plan on getting stronger, but I hope to do so in a way that absolutely minimizes injury risk and will leave me healthy and strong. I thought about it, and I'd rather spend 40 years being able to squat 405 than spend 5 being able to squat 495 before injuries cripple my body. I'm in it for the long haul, so to speak.

    You're older and clearly more experienced than I am, so I'm not about to tell you that you're wrong, but I just don't think of lifting as a prison, even when you're trying for years for PRs. One day I'll be all out, and that's okay with me.

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    Sokay mate. Some of us like the grind, despite its ups and downs. The downs suck; the ups are great.

    I see you venting some frustration in your thread; good on you. Loosen that release valve and let rip, then get back to what you know you want to do.

    You gave LP a solid shot, twice, and now you're finding your way in Intermediate country. Enjoy the journey, even the bumpy bits.

    Good training to you, brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Bischoff View Post
    Sokay mate. Some of us like the grind, despite its ups and downs. The downs suck; the ups are great.

    I see you venting some frustration in your thread; good on you. Loosen that release valve and let rip, then get back to what you know you want to do.

    You gave LP a solid shot, twice, and now you're finding your way in Intermediate country. Enjoy the journey, even the bumpy bits.

    Good training to you, brother.
    Thanks, Geoff. I definitely think it's going to take some trial and error, but that's all part of learning, right?

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