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    Hello SS people,

    I will try to keep this short (but fail). If this is the wrong forum, just move it, I wasnít sure where this belongs.

    Iím frustrated. Really. I train using SS for a while now (6m almost). My right knee hurt before. Now, both knees hurt. Iím convinced that squats are not bad for the knees. However, Iím in pretty serious pain at the moment when trying to get out of a chair, when climbing stairs, etc. Iím 32 years old, and donít feel like thatís the way it should be.

    I donít think that anyone has a solution for me, but I need opinions. My main questions are:
    - Should I just keep on training and ignore the pain?
    - General inputs/ideas wtf is wrong with me?
    - Should I try dozens of different doctors, massage therapists? What to do?

    I hope to provide all information thatís necessary, just ask for more if needed.

    Stats:
    32 yo male
    BW ca 91 kg
    177 cm tall

    Lifts:
    Squat: 3x5@136 kg, failed at 138kg. Now back to 105kg because of the pain. YouTube
    Deadlift: 1x5@150kg
    Bench: 3x5@86 kg (needed a reset after)
    Press: 5x3@51 kg

    Training history:
    Fat kid, but always kind of active.
    24 yo: Started running 3x/week for 3 years, lost weight. First very light pain in right knee.
    27 yo: ďCrossFitĒ for 2 years (mostly bodyweight/kettlebells, no barbells). Bad instructors, doing everything wrong. Pain free at the beginning, as far as I can remember.
    29 yo: Bodyweight training (very functional of course) for 1.5 years, right knee got worse.
    Starting Strength since Dec 2018, SSOC since Feb 2019. It works, but now, both knees hurt.

    Medical history:
    Got an MRI ca 14 months ago of my right knee because of sharp pain on the right knee cap (when climbing stairs etc). The diagnosis was weird, nothing concrete, PTÖ Didnít help, obviously.
    Last week, I saw an orthopedic specialist. He looked at the MRI again, identified most of the things they told me at the other place as bullshit and saw three things:
    1. Crack in cartilage behind knee cap. This is where the sharp pain comes from
    2. Knee cap is a bit ďtoo highĒ
    3. ďrippleĒ in patella tendon (see picture below). Quote: ďI thought Iíve seen everything, but this is newĒ
    The acute pain above the kneecaps was ďdiagnosedĒ as patellafemoral pain syndrome. As far as I can understand, this means nothing specific. He gave me exercises as a first step. Are you kidding me? I squat, why should I do bodyweight quarter squats?

    Symptoms:
    As mentioned, when climbing stairs/standing up out of a chair, I have sharp pain on top of the kneecap of the right knee. Additionally, I now have pretty severe pain (that bothers me more atm) right above the knee cap in both knees in those moments.
    Both knees make pretty horrible noises when squatting (with or without weight on my back). Itís kind of a grinding sensation. I know that this doesnít need to be something bad, but I feel itís linked to the pain.
    In my left knee, something really weird happens after Iíve been sitting down with the leg bent for a couple of minutes or longer. When I extend the leg, it somehow feels like a ligament/tendon jumps in the knee. This happens 3-5 times, then thereís a quite loud popping noise, and itís gone. Iím kind of worried because of this
    I could train pain free after careful warm-ups until about two weeks ago, now I sometimes feel it during the work sets. But itís bearable. However, the day after is the worst.

    Thanks so much for any comments!
    Jonas

    MRI Image:
    2019-05-09 17_18_59-MERLIN DICOM Viewer (Patient Disc) 5.3.147243.jpg

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    Do you wear knee sleeves? Have you tried a warming cream on your knees before workouts? Does a hot tub or hot bath help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skid View Post
    Do you wear knee sleeves?
    Yes. Didn't really note a difference, but they won't harm me I guess.
    Quote Originally Posted by skid View Post
    Have you tried a warming cream on your knees before workouts?
    No. But I heard of people doing this. Something like tiger balm should work, right?
    Quote Originally Posted by skid View Post
    Does a hot tub or hot bath help?
    I don't know. We moved to this cool new apartement where we only have a shower. But thanks for giving me a reason to go visit a spa . I'll give it a try.

    Generally, my knees are warm during workouts, even without sleeves. But when using them, they're almost glowing when taking the sleeves off.

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    Knee sleeves may put pressure on the patella which can cause pain. I've had this issue before when using a very stiff knee sleeve. A patella tendon strap may work well for you. World strongest man Eddie Hall swears by them. I'm going to try this myself one of these days.

    I use Rub A535 cream which really warms my knees up. I use this every time I squat (I'm 55 and squat 400+ for reps).

    I find a hot tub after a workout does wonders for sore achy muscles and joints.

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