I have an old pair of Valeo's that do the trick and some of my clients use the same. Having never used the Harbingers I'm unsure as to whether or not they're the same, but I can wrap my knees and keep the same wrap for the entire session. I mostly use Tommy Kono knee sleeves, however. I googled valeo knee wrap and saw that they appear to be a thinner version of a classic 2m/2.5m knee wrap.