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    Quote Originally Posted by apparatus View Post
    This is interesting because I read this from an article against the free market earlier today (http://socialistworker.org/2012/04/2...rket-efficient):

    Are people homeless in America because there’s a shortage of homes? And if that’s the case, is there a shortage of homes because we don’t have the concrete, the wood and the steel to build them?
    The truth is that under capitalism, there’s no incentive to build low-cost housing for the homeless—because it isn’t profitable to do so.

    The same goes for the more than 800 million people in the world who go hungry. It isn’t profitable to feed them. So food is stockpiled or destroyed rather than distributed to them.


    That article sure is something.
    There have been several cities who built housing for the homeless. Every one of those projects ended up trashed with the copper ripped out of the walls in the form of pipes and wiring. There were usually feces and trash strewn from one end of the housing to the other as well. Yep. Those socialist workers sure know what they're talking about. Hows about we look at those socialist workers paradises like the now defunct USSR and the Castro brothers fiefdom alive and "well" in Cuba? I'll just bet anyone who lived in East Germany or Poland could also provide chapter and verse about how well that worked out when they were part of the Warsaw Pact. Of course we need to over look Stalin withdrawing and denying food to the Ukraine and most of the rest of the USSR in the 20's and 30's. No profit there either.

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    In Australia, legally you're homeless if you have no permanent place of residence, and no prospect of one. So if you're staying in a cheap backpacker's then you're homeless.

    Back in 1999 I was homeless for a while. First I was in backpacker's while I looked for work, then my money ran out, I spent two days on the street before I swallowed my pride and applied at a homeless shelter. They have limited places and each night they assess people by need, so the elderly or mentally ill went before me, I remained on the street another five nights until some friends took me in.

    During that week on the street I was actually working, however it was temp work and they paid a fortnight in arrears. I showered etc at the workplace each day.

    I was lucky in that as I was a chef, I could eat at work. The actual canteen cost money, but nobody cared if you ate stuff in the kitchen where you worked.

    I stayed with friends for a few weeks until I'd saved enough money to get into a share flat.

    Many people are homeless for a short time in their lives, but like me they have friends and family to take them in, and have some social and work skills to help them get a job and thus an income. The long-term homeless tend to be those who are mentally ill, have a criminal record (and thus find it difficult to get work), have a substance abuse problem, two of those, or even all three.

    On the street I saw lots of mentally ill people, lots of addicts, and lots of people with criminal convictions. These people are the rubbish of society - meaning that we throw them away and try not to think of them again. Australia has fairly good resources available for the unemployed, single parents and so on, but is pretty shit when it comes to the mentally ill, addicts and those with records.

    Australia's fast food is not subsidised as heavily as that in the US, however it's still pretty cheap, and if you don't have a kitchen you have no alternative, you can't subsist on raw vegetables and meat. As well, remember that if you're homeless it's because you have nowhere to go. You're on the street and nobody cares.

    Just think about that for a moment. Think of all the people you love, all your family and friends, your parents, siblings, all the people you went to school with and kept in touch with, former workmates. You contact them all and they all turn you away.

    This doesn't exactly lift your spirits, and fast food, alcohol, tobacco and drugs start to look pretty attractive. In my week on the street I was offered free heroin, luckily I don't like needles. I was also offered a lot of violence, between mental illness and the desperation of substance addiction and poverty, people get nasty.

    If the homeless are fatties, I say good on them. At least they have something pleasant in their lives.

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    Brad Pitt has actually done more for the homeless in New Orleans by constructing new homes than the state government has. The best part is that the mayor agreed with this.

    I'm amused that they mention that the advertising business and military-industrial complex are wasteful and then mention that they make multi-millions in the same sentence. So they just do shit for no reason, hoping someone will need their services?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark E. Hurling View Post
    There have been several cities who built housing for the homeless. Every one of those projects ended up trashed with the copper ripped out of the walls in the form of pipes and wiring. There were usually feces and trash strewn from one end of the housing to the other as well. Yep. Those socialist workers sure know what they're talking about. Hows about we look at those socialist workers paradises like the now defunct USSR and the Castro brothers fiefdom alive and "well" in Cuba? I'll just bet anyone who lived in East Germany or Poland could also provide chapter and verse about how well that worked out when they were part of the Warsaw Pact. Of course we need to over look Stalin withdrawing and denying food to the Ukraine and most of the rest of the USSR in the 20's and 30's. No profit there either.
    Building cheap housing and building free houses for homeless people is not the same. I'm from Gothenburg, Sweden where there is a incredible lack of housing for students and young people. Yet the only buildings constructed are expensive aparments that you have to buy, you cannot rent them.

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    Maybe it's not better food the homeless need, it's just a better strength training program?

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    'it’s hard to buy nutrition cheaply' - that's complete rubbish. Milk is the most nutritious whole food that exists, and if you buy a large 4 litre bottle, it's one of the cheapest sources of vitamins, minerals, carb, fat and protein, available. I think the only thing it lacks is vitamin C, so they should buy a bag of oranges too!
    I don't think cheap nutrition is the problem, it's the fact they are depressed as shit and mentally ill and they'd rather buy 9% lager and drugs instead to help them forget how shit their lives are. Apparently, over here (UK), there are enough beds in hostels for all the homeless people on the streets, but a lot of them can't stick to the hostel's rules - no alcohol, drugs, fighting, be in your room by 10pm, etc... due mostly to mental illness, so they end up back on the street. If someone is mentally incapable of seeking help and is putting their own existence in danger, then I think they need to be sectioned.

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    Unfortunately, not a surprising trend.

    Saw this today: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=154267782 (excuse the source)

    ...of a half-trillion dollar farm bill, 400 bil goes to food stamps, and 100 bil goes to ag subsidies for primarily corn, soy, and wheat production.

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    Politics of the homeless aside, it's a simple testament to the quality of food available to people with low incomes.
    Also probably the effects of consuming a lot of liquid carbohydrates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConcreteRoad View Post
    Building cheap housing and building free houses for homeless people is not the same. I'm from Gothenburg, Sweden where there is a incredible lack of housing for students and young people. Yet the only buildings constructed are expensive aparments that you have to buy, you cannot rent them.
    Well that's fine, but you are the only one conflating cheap housing for students and young people with the homeless. Nothing else refers to them in any other posts. So what's your point?

    Quote Originally Posted by apparatus View Post
    Brad Pitt has actually done more for the homeless in New Orleans by constructing new homes than the state government has. The best part is that the mayor agreed with this.
    It will be interesting to see how well these new homes fare in NOLA. Because it has flopped everywhere else.

    Quote Originally Posted by apparatus View Post
    I'm amused that they mention that the advertising business and military-industrial complex are wasteful and then mention that they make multi-millions in the same sentence. So they just do shit for no reason, hoping someone will need their services?
    I can't speak to the advertising business but the military-industrial complex doesn't build much on spec. They have a contract with one of the 50 or so governments that actually run this country. They do conduct some R&D on their own nickel but most is government funded for government purposes. Not a lot of altruism to be found in this business just like any other business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark E. Hurling View Post
    There have been several cities who built housing for the homeless. Every one of those projects ended up trashed with the copper ripped out of the walls in the form of pipes and wiring. There were usually feces and trash strewn from one end of the housing to the other as well. Yep. Those socialist workers sure know what they're talking about. Hows about we look at those socialist workers paradises like the now defunct USSR and the Castro brothers fiefdom alive and "well" in Cuba? I'll just bet anyone who lived in East Germany or Poland could also provide chapter and verse about how well that worked out when they were part of the Warsaw Pact. Of course we need to over look Stalin withdrawing and denying food to the Ukraine and most of the rest of the USSR in the 20's and 30's. No profit there either.
    have you ever been to Cuba? i'm guessing not. but you're quite obviously an 'expert' on how things are over there...

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