Thanks for the discussion. I suppose I should clarify my particular circumstances: if one is living on a very low carbohydrate diet generally (either the pursuit of a keto diet or just a very low carbohydrate diet) AND seeks to control bodyfat through close monitoring of daily caloric intake AND frequently depletes his muscle glycogen stores via hard, regular, consistent, barbell training, AND knows this by seeing a steady drop in scale weight, which scale weight readily comes back when carbohydrates (and water) refill muscle glycogen stores, THEN wouldn't simpler carbs - always excluding artificial sources of fructose - like rice, white bread, waxy maize, glucose powder added to whey shakes be a superior choice? Theres no point in slowing down the process, is there?
I ask becasue I am - self diagnosed - not very insulin sensitive and complex carbohydrates and the resultant elevated levels of insulin over a longer period of time seem to trigger bingeing behavior, possibly thru the effects of insulin on my ghrelin and lepin. I do NOT experince these bingeing problems with smaller amounts of the faster acting carbs. And yes, I know white rice and white bread are considered complex carbs, but...are they really? Theyre pretty fucking processed.
Thanks
The simplicity of ingredients in white rice in no way reflects the amount of processing its been through: from wikipedia: "White rice is milled rice that has had its husk, bran, and germ removed. This alters the flavor, texture and appearance of the rice and helps prevent spoilage and extend its storage life. After milling, the rice is polished, resulting in a seed with a bright, white, shiny appearance...The milling and polishing processes both remove nutrients...White rice is often enriched with some of the nutrients stripped from it during its processing."
This processing makes it very, very easily and quickly digested. White bread, regardless of where its made, is similarly aggressively proicessed, which makes it quickly and readily digested.
Four basic ingredients--flour, water, yeast, and salt--and even the salt is optional if you're from Tuscany (though saltless bread tastes pretty flat, to be honest). I like a pan dulce as much as the next person, but the fat and sugar are 100% optional for making basic yet delicious bread.
You are referring to denovo lipogenesis are ignoring the fact that this is not metabolically efficient. It requires extreme overfeeding of carbohydrate and/or fructose for this to happen (>100% of Total Daily Energy Expenditure exclusively from carbohydrate) and even then it has been reported that fractions of a lb were gained under those conditions. This is because carbohydrates also stimulate their own oxidation and blunt dietary fat oxidation. As you eat more carbohydrates you burn more carbohydrates and burn less dietary fat. In energy surplus conditions, you'd burn off the extra carbohydrates and store the dietary fat as body fat.
Mr. Santana: Thanks for your learned contribution. I guess Im wondering if the slower digesting complex carbs, precisely because they are slower digesting, result in a longer more protracted insulin response. For example, if 200 calories of waxy maize or a similar fast acting carb is dissolved, acted upon by insulin and stored in (lets just say) 60 minutes, which then allows insulin levels to return to baseline, wouldnt 200 calories of slow digesting carbohydrates (ltes say something really complex, like 100 calories of black beans spread onto 100 calories of whole wheat bread) take a lot longer to breakdown, be digested acted upon by ilin and sotered? lets say the black bean sanich takes 180 minutes - wouldn't that cause a longer time of elevated insulin before insulin returns to baseline?
In other words, If x units of insulin get pumped out to dispose of 200g of carbs - regardless of whether they are complex or simple - wouldnt it be better from an endocrineological persepctive to just pump out x units get it over and done with in a short burst of time? As opposed to slowly releasing X units over many more hours as the complex fibers, fats etc. get broken down slowly and released into the blood. Its my understanding that even slightly elvated levels of insulin cause downstream signaling to other hormones (namely ghrelin and leptin, but probably others) that can make things difficult for former fat boys who are always struggling with excess adiposity, such as myself.
Thanks again.