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    Sorry if it has already been mentioned, but elbow tendinitis deserves exclusive discussion on a podcast. I had it bad, I conquered it with assistance from Robert Santana through correcting my setup during the squat. But the path to correcting it all was a long one...

    To open up a possible discussion on a podcast... consider the following


    What happens if the tendinitis has progressed so severely that fixing your grip and flared elbows on the squat just isn’t enough to prevent the extreme pain from manifesting as a result of?

    On the one hand you don’t want to quit squatting and lose your hard fought progress. And on the other hand, if you don’t actually quit you will experience horrible elbow pain and perhaps cause serious injury to yourself.

    Also, such pain as caused by elbow tendinitis is a great indicator of poor technique in any of the exercises because it occurs as a direct result
    of. But in the case of elbow tendinitis that has progressed too far, you’re very likely to experience severe pain despite performing the movement correctly after being coached by an SSC.

    In effect you are experiencing a false positive indicator of improper technique. The truth is that you may be performing the squat correctly with regard to grip and setup, but your elbows are already so trashed and irritated that they signal pain back at you regardless of
    Implemented corrections in technique. At this point the elbow pain is too intense to consider proper technique.


    How do you preserve gains while adjusting faulty technique so that healing can take place? How do you bring the pain down while preserving the strength acquired through hard work?

    In my case I was squatting 315 for 3 sets of 5 and couldn’t go on because my elbow tendonitis had progressed too far. (I also tried to mask it with excessive Advil which backfired horribly while contributing to an acute onset of pain)


    Robert Santana implemented a great strategy for me and it worked. Being that we’re good friends he seems to not appreciate the significance of his strategy as it could be applied to others in search of answers.

    To be fair, he’s also too busy to care about what I consider to be his ‘amazing’ strategy.

    But I think It’s a strategy that could be implemented elsewhere to a lot of trainees. Of course it’s a modification from what’s already written by Rip in his books for general squat grip problems resulting from shoulder inflexibility, etc.

    So! Santana’s plan was
    Safety bar squat (8ish weeks) —> high bar squat (8ish weeks) —> back to low bar squat WITH CORRECT GRIP and setup.. by then the pain has
    Subsided enough.... and if not, extend everything out a few more weeks

    The most valuable aspect in this method was that high bar squat revealed to me what the correct position of the elbows FELT like during a squat. I had never felt this position before and thus could not identify it in order to Implement it. By the time I met Robert I had already developed these horrible technique habits which he had to undo....

    the FEELING of correct position and technique of grip for the low bar squat was something I had not yet experienced despite everyone’s best efforts including my own. Now I’ve got it down and elbow pain is essentially gone.

    I am sure there are dozens of elbow issues like mine that could be up for discussion on the podcast

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB1 View Post
    He is a very accomplished powerlifter and coach. He also has an interesting life with a very rich history. He is a lot like you too: libertarian, no nonsense and well read.
    If you're recommending invitation of mentally ill motherfuckers, Lyle would be a much better choice.

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    I've thought about asking Lyle. He's crazy as hell, but he's a very sharp guy and has made important contributions to the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    I've thought about asking Lyle. He's crazy as hell, but he's a very sharp guy and has made important contributions to the field.
    Yea he's nuts. Remember the whole Zach drama...shot himself in the foot with that one. Lyle's career would have been in a completely different space if his illusions of grandeur could have been kept in check. Then he had his other nutritional expert friends creating accounts on the forum and posting how good of a nutritionist Lyle really was. Sad really. You are right though...he does know his shit.

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    Not sure if its been done already, but why novice programs with AMRAP, RPE or calculating loads from 1 rep maxes are not advisable.

    One more, why do people constantly call chase a genetic freak? besides the fact he looks like a 'roided up child of the corn, would any 19 year old who trained at WFAC from early puberty made the same or similar progress as chase, regardless of their genetic potential?

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    Is hand grip strength some sort of analogue to standing vertical jump for measuring strength overall for the sake of studies that try to understand the health outcomes of being strong? (I reference this article in a non-academic source - referencing an academic study- just to give a sense of what I mean: High muscle strength could help you live longer, study finds | The Independent)

    If not grip strength, then is there something else one could measure - something that would be sensitive enough to show improvement after 6 weeks on a strength-training/gaining program? To me, what would be most interesting would be having a metric that does this and could be applied to large sample sizes and correlated with other health outcomes.

    Wouldnt one be able to do two things with such a measure, in one fell swoop: 1) show that getting stronger makes you healthier and 2) show that Starting Strength is the most efficient way to do that (and/or guide tweaks to the program to make it even better).

    I know there is a lot of evidence that both of these things are true, but wouldnt it be great to have a nice, neat, easily reproducible/hard-to-fuck-uppable measure of strength or even (easier) strength improvement?

    Does all of this already exist? Is there anyone in the field, doing studies who you respect that you could talk to and explore the issues of how many studies are a mess and what the most solid/stable findings are and speculate some about study designs somebody ought to fucking do?

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    More Bill Starr stories. The coincidental first meeting that Rip wrote about set the stage for what we have now. I know we have published some articles by Bill Starr, but the untold stories......that’s what I want to hear. A young impressionable Rip with Starr, rampaging through the mean streets of Wichita Falls. The statute of limitations has expired, so let’s hear it. Sort of like a north Texas version of Miami Vice.

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    What about a recovery episode focused on sleep? Something Rip said recently made me reevaluate my sleeping habits, and its made a world of difference to my training, squat and press in particular. I feel like programming and nutrition get a lot of attention, but sleep clearly plays a huge role in recovery and it would be great to get some no-nonsense discussion on it.

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    Would researchers be more useful like Schoenfeld and Contreras?

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    More useful than what? The measles?

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