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    I am 33 years old 6ft tall 200 lbs. I was an athlete all my life and started lifting at a very young age. However, I did not start lifting properly and using all the barbell movements until I was in high school. I ended up being strong for my age and exceled at sports mostly because I was stronger than almost everyone in my high school, even as a freshman. In high school I was around 205lbs. After High school, I stopped playing sports and stopped lifting weights. By 25 I was a very fat 265 lbs and started to develop a plethora of health problems. I decided enough was enough and started lifting again on my 30th birthday. However, I avoid the barbell movements mostly because of nagging injuries and a hurt ego. For the past three years I have mostly used plate loaded machines, pulleys, and dumbbells. I have done push, pull, legs 3-5 days a week religiously for three years. I use compound movements and progressive overload but 3-4 sets of 8-10 reps using higher volume ďpower buildingĒ style. I have done 3 bulk and cuts. My question is, could someone like me benefit from switching over to starting strength? Are there hidden gains in starting strength that I would not achieve otherwise? Or would I get just as strong eventually, even if itís not optimal? I canít tell you my barbell lifts because I donít know them, but to give you an idea of my strength level, for seated dumbbell shoulder press I did 3 sets of 8 with 80 lb dumbbells this week.

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    Yes. Do the program.

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    These gains are not hidden and if you havenít done SSNLP then you likely havenít come close to your strength potential.

    Lifelong athlete here. 195 lb functional fitness soyboy before SS, 235 lb grown ass man 2 years after SS. Still have abs, so I probably donít eat enough to become an actual badass, but there you have it.

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    Gaining weight is not a problem for me. If I didnít constantly watch what I eat I would be 300lbs by this time next year lol. I will give it a shot Iím just curious on how Iím going to be able to add 5 lbs to the bar every workout when I have already been training for 3 years, plus the time when I was younger. I am guessing my bench would be close to 300 right now. I guess there is only one way to know for sure. I will give it try hopefully my back holds up.

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    What is your squat/deadlift now?

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    Haha good point! I have no idea I havenít tried in years. It would take some time just to learn to low bar squat ( never tried) and even deadlift again with proper form. I do have SI joint, hip, and back issues that bother me daily. When I was fat and out of shape there were days I couldnít stand up. Even now leg pressing makes me hurt for days after but nowhere near like it use to. Makes me nervous but I think itís time to give it a shot.

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    I had a bad back before i started. Even after surgery i kept tweaking it for years. Now it feels stronger than ever and I donít worry about it.

    Doing this shit with excellent technique teaches you how to fix your back.

    Start light with perfect technique and do the NLP. It will get heavy fast - donít jump ahead. Just do the program.

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    TL;DR: DTP.

    After 10 years of silly nonsense in the gym (dumbbells, plate-load machines), I was stronger than the average silly-nonsense-doer. I didn't know what SS might be able to do for me, either, and was somewhat the skeptic, figuring there was no way I was a "novice." Turns out, I was definitely a novice.

    Some of my introductory numbers are in an article I wrote for this website around this time last year, but the short version is, 1RMs went from (pre-SS to post-LP and Texas Method work up until now): Squat 350->440, Bench 265->350, Deadlift 395->495, Press ??->230. Sets of 5 are at 405/317.5/460/205.

    Gained a bunch of muscle mass, too. Total bodyweight rise of 40lbs give or take; as always some muscle and some fat. But I feel better in my skin now at 42 than any other time of my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    What is your squat/deadlift now?

    At this point they are 0. I haven't deadlifted in 15 years and I have never done a low bar squat. How difficult should the set of 5 be? almost failing? I usually add weight each set until the last rep of the set barely goes ( obviously not the program).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brainstrain View Post
    Haha good point! I have no idea I haven’t tried in years. It would take some time just to learn to low bar squat ( never tried) and even deadlift again with proper form. I do have SI joint, hip, and back issues that bother me daily. When I was fat and out of shape there were days I couldn’t stand up. Even now leg pressing makes me hurt for days after but nowhere near like it use to. Makes me nervous but I think it’s time to give it a shot.
    If you have SI joint problems, leg presses are the worst thing you can do for it. Think about why.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brainstrain View Post
    At this point they are 0. I haven't deadlifted in 15 years and I have never done a low bar squat. How difficult should the set of 5 be? almost failing? I usually add weight each set until the last rep of the set barely goes ( obviously not the program).
    I see that you haven't read the book. Read the book. Do the program. Type later.

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