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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    You do this a lot, Matt. I am a 64-year-old white man from Texas, raised by parents who grew up in the Great Depression when racial hatred was real, and I don't know a single person who simply hates black people because they are black people. I've talked about this with friends, and none of them do either. We stopped thinking like that a long time ago. It's very useful to the Left to pretend that this still exists, but the Klan has about 3000 members in a country of 330 million. Your media has misinformed you, and you're supposed to be better informed than this.

    You sit at home in the UK, constructing fantasy art about what you believe goes on in the US, and then extrapolate for hundreds of words about things you know nothing about. About every third post is this way.
    Remind Matt that the Democrats were the party of slavery. They took it all the way to a civil war. They were the party that that put American citizens in interment camps (ww2) but only those that could be recognized by race. They fought against civil rights legislation up through the 1960s, and their leadership were members of the KKK to include the senate majority leader Byrd.

    That the Democrats one day woke and switched roles with Republicans is an utter myth. Historically Democrats were unequivocally defined by racism and evil. Currently, they define every action and policy on race which is, precisely, racist.

    What has changed is that they’ve learned to lie and divert better. Just stating that Trump is a racist, Biden is not is factually false. To any independent observer, they are still the party of Racism and inciters of riots. By a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Jackson View Post
    I'm not sure how you could define national socialism as a twisted form of enlightenment "liberalism" and still ask to be taken seriously. I've heard the term "racist liberal" to describe the the "based" conservative America First kind of Trump supporter who simply hates black people but still wants to retain his muh-global-capitalism, his materialism and his certain cherry picked parts of classical liberalism. The kind of white idiot who hates his own black working class neighbour just for existing, but also has side-by-side Pro-Israel and 1776 bumper stickers, and celebrates aggressive foreign policy against Middle Eastern countries - and sees nothing contradictory about his retarded worldview.

    These pathetic people definitely exist and I am not one of them. They exist where I live too - and they stand in the way of what I want. I detest them. I am also not American, and the sort of thing I want in Europe fundamentally wouldn't work in the same form in America. America is a different place, but the establishment is taking a similar approach throughout the entire Western world. Of course I have my own views, but I did not make my analysis of the Capitol action into a description of my own political wet dream.

    This trend is going to move well past Trump - but if Trump's vote was a vote against technocratic rule, and globalised homogenisation of culture and identity - that means it's also strongly about racial identity. Clearly, while the majority of Trump supporters are not all secretly hateful towards other races and just hide it well it behind a facade of liberalism, they also wholly reject the anti-white message which is being shoved down their throats, because they recognise it is a lie. They recognise it as a lie which is harmful towards their own group, primarily.

    The establishment's narrative which supports the astroturfed BLM "movement", that this kind of intolerance and evil, colonial hangover uniquely exists in white peoples' homelands, is simply anti-white propaganda designed to undermine a people, their culture and erode the very belief structure which underpins their nations. It's designed to break America. It's not about equality.

    If Trump's white suburban vote share decreased, it's because they no longer see Trump as capable of delivering what he promised in 2016 - which included a promise to counter all that woke political diarrhea. If Trump saw an increase of some black, and more hispanic votes (in some states), then I would assume it's because these honest and thoughtful non-white voters saw through the establishment's anti-white narrative for what is is. They realised their nation, objectively conceived and built by whites a long time ago, isn't at all a dehumanising contraption of control and enslavement engineered by sadistic racists. It is in fact a place which offers them the best possible chance at achieving material wealth and personal freedom, especially compared to the relative shitholes where they or their parents came from.

    You want to deny the significance of race, like a typical materialistic liberal, but these non-whites will have undoubtedly noticed, even among own communities, that in-group preference and positive and negative ethno-centrism simply exists, but that doesn't then necessarily mean half the nation is morally bankrupt just because people tend to prefer to be with their own kind. They understand race as something real and meaningful, but they don't subscribe to the progressive view that, because ethno-centrism exists, therefore every value underpinning the nation should be forensically examined and diagnosed, then subverted. They don't want America to be steadily transformed into an anti-white, progressive laboratory of bad ideas - they like America just how it is.

    The media cannot show any of this. They cannot allow the idea of a politically charged, positive white identity to grow legs. Instead, they have to paint the whole thing as "white supremacist domestic terrorism" (oMg NaZis! LiKe iN ThE MoVieS!!1!) and double-down with their Kristallnacht rhetoric. What they needed to portray was how white the populist action at the Capitol was, and therefore how immoral it was. Remember, white populism = bad.

    Over here, it's the same. Every political action by free agents which runs against the establishment's narrative of globalised homogenisation gets the same treatment. This 16-second clip of our Channel 4 TV news live coverage, from 2019 during protest about the delay of Brexit, says it all: "I've never seen so many white people!"

    Jon Snow's "I've never seen so many white people" moment - YouTube

    This is not because the establishment is arbitrarily prejudiced against whites, it's because they are fucking terrified of the collapse of the public's belief in their neo-liberal order and the emergence of something like a Fourth Reich. This is the reason they cannot allow white positivity and populism to grow, hand in hand. They're not worried about little ol' red-pilled and based countries like Hungary or Poland and their anti-woke antics - they are worried about Germany, they're worried about America. They're worried about Europe's wider rejection of EU neo-liberalism and what might replace it. It threatens their entire existence.
    Your narrative above is flawed from the very first paragraph. We do NOT hate black people, why do you? You're the one saying we've got to keep giving them money, which is code for stay on the plantation, then ridicule and demean them when one gets ahead. I want to see them better themselves, but they're not going to if they live off free handouts and are told not to have any desire to try. Better take a look at yourself in the mirror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFPeterson View Post

    Look at previous posts in this thread as an example... more died in the DC "riot" than Benghazi? The truth is 2 died from Capitol violence and 3 from medical emergencies (heart attacks) in the separate 50k rally. Are we really supposed to believe this was bloodier than Benghazi? The media wants you to believe that.
    You know, I've said some things about how people should hold each other to a higher standard regarding good faith in such discussions and this is a great example of you doing that, for me. Thank you. I was speaking with insufficient data when I compared the two. I'd still say the comparison stands as it relates to accountability, but the nature of the deaths is certainly not as simple as I once believed. The police officer murdered, the woman killed breaking through the barrier, and Rosanne Boyland, who died after being trampled in the Capitol, and coincidentally the day she carried a Gadsden flag, were the only three you could attribute to the violence inside the Capitol. So we've got 3/4 of a Benghazi if we're going to directly compare numbers. The man who took his own life 3 days after the event, and the other guys who had a heart attack and stroke, could not honestly be considered dead as a direct result of the violence that day. I had not sufficiently investigated the claim I put forth, and in doing so was being intellectually lazy. You have done me the service of ensuring the things I believe are more deeply rooted in the truth, and I thank you for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by No insect View Post
    Omg. The person who wrote the linked column is so out of line. She has also misunderstod the whole Floyd-19 thing. And if other people want to be strong, have a certain shape, be super well conditioned or whatever, that is nobody elseís f-ing business. And if I want to squat the biggest weight I possibly could, does not make it ok for that person to claim that I have some sort of problem if another person donít want to squat. I donít give a f what anyone else wants to do in the gym.
    And yet: https://twitter.com/page88?ref_src=t...Ctwgr%5Eauthor 145k followers and multiple outlets picking up her stories. Idk when it comes to this shit. I'm a member of multiple groups that get bad reps. (lifting, Norse paganism, etc.) Part of me wants to straighten out the shit so that those who come after me don't have to deal with the discrimination and part of me is like fuck it, haters gonna hate. There's already a lot of racial talk in the bodybuilding/lifting and Norse pagan worlds. A lot of kowtowing. So people are hearing that kind of narrative and feel the need to deny their racism. I don't. I don't give a fuck what people think of me for the most part. It's a shame you can't fix stupid.

    Quote Originally Posted by GHOSTWOLF View Post
    the government of the entire USA has to grind to a halt so elected officials can run from their lives for people calling for their death, that's a problem for more than 300 million people.
    How? DC does jack shit for me. You know how many times the shit after 9/11 has inconvenienced me? A whopping zero times. You know how many potentially illegal conversations their stupid fucking wiretaps have gotten from me? None. Because I'm not stupid enough to handle things in a way that they can apply that tech to. I'm also not stupid enough to sit around and wait for DC to have say in what goes on in my life. If your life would change if AOC was dragged out and skinned, you need to fix that shit. Develop yourself a community of mutual aid, find parallels methods and communications. While you're at it go a step further and learn some monkey wrenching. (Welding and machine work wouldn't hurt either.) Do I want my country to be better, absolutely. But I will survive no matter what hellscape they leave us in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GHOSTWOLF View Post
    No, sir, I do not consider it a huge problem, but it was congressionally investigated about ten times for political brownie points and all I heard regarding Hillary Clinton for years was "Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi." "Four Americans died."

    Well, we now have actual evidence (like was not presented in HRC's hours-long congressional hearing) to support the claim that the government official who could have prevented this more recent handful of deaths has neglected to take appropriate action to do so. Therefore, its a worthwhile parallel to draw for those who got so worked up with the first. If they don't get worked up and demand accountability to the same degree now as they did then, maybe it would be worth considering that the motivations behind that outrage was not government accountability but points in the political shouting match folks get wrapped up in.
    So much unity could be found if we all held each other to a higher standard of acting in good faith in rational discourse by saying "Okay, you said this was bad then. Now we have a very similar situation that is bad for some of the same reasons for which you said the first thing was bad [a quantifiable, similar number of deaths of US citizens that could have been prevented with better decision making from the executive whose job it is to make such decisions, in this case], except the key players are on the other side of the aisle. That little detail won't prevent you from demanding justice for those whose lives were lost, right? You are as angry that this happened now then you were then, despite the 'team' responsible having switched sides, right?"

    This isn't what happens, though. People get swept up in negativity and led by the real enemies pulling the strings to believe that those hardworking decent folks with a different perspective based on different life experiences are their enemies when really we need to work together.
    Trump didn't incite the riot. The rioters didn't even bother to listen to his speech, they went straight to the capitol. They were just really pissed, and they had every right to be. If a couple of them beat a cop to death, then I hope they are found and prosecuted. But stop playing pretend that this was a "terrorist attack". If you're looking for government officials that could have prevented it, look to the courts. They failed to do their job, and the supreme court failed supremely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    You do this a lot, Matt. I am a 64-year-old white man from Texas, raised by parents who grew up in the Great Depression when racial hatred was real, and I don't know a single person who simply hates black people because they are black people. I've talked about this with friends, and none of them do either. We stopped thinking like that a long time ago. It's very useful to the Left to pretend that this still exists, but the Klan has about 3000 members in a country of 330 million. Your media has misinformed you, and you're supposed to be better informed than this.

    You sit at home in the UK, constructing fantasy art about what you believe goes on in the US, and then extrapolate for hundreds of words about things you know nothing about. About every third post is this way.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    You do this a lot, Matt. I am a 64-year-old white man from Texas, raised by parents who grew up in the Great Depression when racial hatred was real, and I don't know a single person who simply hates black people because they are black people. I've talked about this with friends, and none of them do either. We stopped thinking like that a long time ago. It's very useful to the Left to pretend that this still exists, but the Klan has about 3000 members in a country of 330 million. Your media has misinformed you, and you're supposed to be better informed than this.

    You sit at home in the UK, constructing fantasy art about what you believe goes on in the US, and then extrapolate for hundreds of words about things you know nothing about. About every third post is this way.
    I will try to contain my excitement at the thought of being personally responsible for getting you and Hag to actually agree on something here...

    I must make it clear that I don't think this way of thinking is still normalized or widespread in rural areas or anywhere else in America in 2021, and maybe things aren't *at all* like they are here in Europe. Maybe all American whites are truly colour-blind. In fact, in a place like Texas where a good portion of people are legally and illegally strapped - I can believe that daily interactions between people there carry a different kind of weight and flavour than they do in, say, an English high-street.

    If we're talking about you and your friends, you seem like a salt of the earth guy who can rub shoulders with lots of different characters from different backgrounds, but I'm pretty sure even someone like you wouldn't have much time for a white fuckwit who hates blacks because he views them as genetically inferior, or a black fuckwit who believes that whites are inherently demonic due to their lack of soulful melanin, or whatever. Maybe they exist in Wichita Falls, but perhaps you don't come into contact with them - ever?

    However, I personally know of low IQ white people (even including my own family) here who casually make "racist" arguments in the most ignorant, dumb way possible. If it happens in the public eye, the British news media grasps it with its talons, magnifies it x1000 and makes sure we hear all about it in excruciating detail until we feel drunk with accusations of racism.

    It's certainly not the norm. It's a fringe perspective, but it still exists and in my admission of that about our societies, I don't think I am playing into the hands of the left at all.

    I also grew up being best mates with a black kid from a West Indian background, and at his house I heard the most racially intolerant statements come out of his family's mouths, always aimed at the local Bangladeshis and Pakistanis. My point is, among groups of humans, racial in-group positivity and negative bias towards out-groups exists (that's the proper definition of the SJW term "racism"), and fucking idiots also exist, and will still occasionally sound off and share their opinions with us. What can we interpret from that? Nothing much, other than racial groups, on average, prefer the company of their own. Occasionally, ideas and feelings get expressed in stupid ways.

    If I believed what the American corporate news media reported about white Americans, you're right, I would absolutely think that behind closed doors you and your friends were good ol' boys and had Klan hoods in your closets, along with every other white family in Wichita Falls! Obviously not.

    I thought I made it clear that our modern liberally democratic Western societies simply do not operate as hateful, "white supremacist" ethno-states - quite the opposite - and that the left's accusation to the contrary was completely fabricated. You can acknowledge racial in-group preference and reject the anti-white narrative of the establishment without falling foul of any kind of contradiction there.

    In their lexicon, "Racism" is something that only white people can be found guilty of. People are getting increasingly sick of that line. I would agree that white-on-black normalized, institutional racism doesn't exist in our societies in any meaningful way, like the left would have us believe, but white people are now definitely being singled out and targeted. Trump represented a counter-narrative to the establishment's anti-white propaganda, but let people down in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    You do this a lot, Matt. I am a 64-year-old white man from Texas, raised by parents who grew up in the Great Depression when racial hatred was real, and I don't know a single person who simply hates black people because they are black people. I've talked about this with friends, and none of them do either. We stopped thinking like that a long time ago. It's very useful to the Left to pretend that this still exists, but the Klan has about 3000 members in a country of 330 million. Your media has misinformed you, and you're supposed to be better informed than this.

    You sit at home in the UK, constructing fantasy art about what you believe goes on in the US, and then extrapolate for hundreds of words about things you know nothing about. About every third post is this way.
    Europe has been undergoing a decade long phase of nationalistic radicalization. Not that we weren't abnormally nationalistic and racist before that. So Europeans, even the ones on the British Isles, don't like to admit this to themselves, so they project their world views on Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardGreen View Post
    BLM started as a movement when a football player took a knee during the national anthem played prior to playing a football game....
    You really believe that, don't you?

    BLM actually started with a riot.
    They were given an investigation and a fair trial. After which, a jury of their peers decided there had been no criminal wrongdoing.
    #BlackLivesMatter: the birth of a new civil rights movement | Civil rights movement | The Guardian
    Black Lives Matter: How the events in Ferguson sparked a movement in America - CBS News


    There was not even an investigation or inquiry to address the concerns of the capitol patriots.
    What should happen when the grievances 100+ million people are willfully ignored?
    Where do 100+ million people go to address legal problems when the courts refuse investigate potential crimes?
    What recourse do the 100+ million people have left when they are no longer allowed political representation?
    How can this contingent of 100+ million people have a voice when they are censored, fired from their jobs and barred from nationalized utilities & infrastructure, like airlines and banking.


    Quote Originally Posted by George Christiansen View Post
    The set up aspect is a rather moot point. The bigger picture is they have been on a trajectory that will never change unless they are defeated, but it is rather telling how hysterical the "conservative" pearl clutchers are to make sure no one thinks ill of them. The only thing worse than them are the folks who are looking forward to openly playing defense after four years of not knowing what to do with any actual forward motion....
    I am speculating the Rs made a backroom deal with the Ds to certify Biden in return for promises of future election integrity.

    Even if there were to be free elections in the future (extraordinarily unlikely), the Rs have ensured that no Republican will ever again be elected to office: 45 Percent of Republican Voters Support Storming of Capitol Building: Poll

    You don't get to demonize and discredit 50% of your voter base and expect to ever win again.


    Quote Originally Posted by Haghstull View Post
    I don’t know, Rip… I’ll bet you a bottle of vermouth that repubs will be exhorting you to vote/donate in two years time, trumpeting some hilarious/hackneyed excuse for how the electoral system has been suddenly and rapidly securitized, but that the Biden administration deserves no credit...
    That sounds like a good bet on Republican strategy.

    But, what about Bernie and his supporters? Isn't he angry that he got cheated in the primary?
    I am sure his supporters are still angry about it. But, when will it be enough to make them abandon the Dems?

    Time for something new.

    Quote Originally Posted by Haghstull View Post
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    ...Let me offer a rhetorical question that might help reinforce this point: can you think of any liberal thinker post-1800 that was not, in some sense, a nationalist?
    That's a good point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFPeterson View Post
    Look at previous posts in this thread as an example... more died in the DC "riot" than Benghazi? The truth is 2 died from Capitol violence and 3 from medical emergencies (heart attacks) in the separate 50k rally. Are we really supposed to believe this was bloodier than Benghazi? The media wants you to believe that.
    Where can I find this info? About the heart attacks? This would be a nice piece of information to share to people around me

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    Quote Originally Posted by GHOSTWOLF View Post
    Now we have a very similar situation that is bad for some of the same reasons for which you said the first thing was bad [a quantifiable, similar number of deaths of US citizens that could have been prevented with better decision making from the executive whose job it is to make such decisions, in this case], except the key players are on the other side of the aisle.
    There's a critical difference between Benghazi and the DC debacle. The former was indeed the result of non-decision making on the part of executives. The latter was a clustered up kluge made by a joint committee of the Capitol PD, the Sergeants at Arms of the House and Senate, and it appears the FBI deeming the march a non threat. No one in the Executive Branch was involved. Of course the FBI is now trying to cover it's ass by citing a memo about the threat that they didn't bother to account for last week. One might add that with the possible exception of the Sergeant at Arms of the Senate, the rest seem to be controlled by dems. The chief of the Capitol police and the Sergeants at Arms have all been fired or resigned. Looks like they got their marching orders to let a brittle perimeter happen for the march that was intended to fail for the purpose of further inflaming media and hence the public along with discrediting Trump and any of his supporters. It worked like a charm.

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