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    Hey Maark, if it makes you feel any better this is what we had going on around these parts the first week of September. Yes, that is still summer:

    WATCH: Here'''s What it Looked Like in Rock Springs During Storm

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    Coach,

    I hate this political stuff and have never read this thread for just that reason.

    However, the market has spoken and coal is dead. This is why the power companies are moving away from it.

    Clean Power Crowds Out Dirty Coal As Costs Reach Tipping Point

    There is a bazillion articles stating the same thing and if you look at where the market is putting their $, it isn't in coal.

    As to what happened in Texas, perhaps the idiots in charge ought to listen when they are warned:
    Texas grid fails to weatherize, repeats mistake feds cited 10 years ago (houstonchronicle.com)

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    Forbes is writing this propaganda now? Amazing.

    The dominance of fossil fuels has come under growing pressure from clean power sources in recent years. At the start of the renewables revolution, technologies such as solar and wind were much more expensive than coal and gas, but a tipping point has been reached.

    When it comes to building new generation capacity, it is cheaper to build renewable energy projects than new coal plants – which have previously been the cheapest form of power generation but also the most polluting – in every major market in the world, a new report says.
    Who pays for the wind farms, Jay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by novicejay View Post
    However, the market has spoken and coal is dead. This is why the power companies are moving away from it.
    Who is "the market" here though? The actual end consumers of energy, or the government who gets to decide what power gets money put into it? The government's decisions are largely arbitrary. Put in a carbon tax, and yeah, suddenly everyone's gonna want "clean" energy instead of coal because they don't get hit with the tax. I'm willing to bet there are a fair number of energy consumers right now though who wish they had some working coal plants giving them electricity instead of some non-functioning windmill-based shit.

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    Jay should pay better attention to this politics-shit. Don't just read something and assume it's true.

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    I'm willing to bet there are a fair number of energy consumers right now though who wish they had some working coal plants giving them electricity instead of some non-functioning windmill-based shit.
    As far as I understand the situation, even if Texas had 0% “renewable” power they would still have the same problem: frozen natural gas wells, frozen delivery system, and frozen generation facilities. Of course coal and nuclear plants could help alleviate that issue as well.

    There is a reason up here we bury that shit feet deep in the ground and put heat tape on everything. But since this is a once a decade occurrence down there, the financial incentive to implement such measures goes away quickly.

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    Maricopa County is doing a fake audit.

    https://twitter.com/merissahamilton/...69765177282563

    Our governments are all illegitimate. The endless fighting against actually showing evidence an election occurred is proof enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiigelec View Post
    As far as I understand the situation, even if Texas had 0% “renewable” power they would still have the same problem: frozen natural gas wells, frozen delivery system, and frozen generation facilities. Of course coal and nuclear plants could help alleviate that issue as well.

    There is a reason up here we bury that shit feet deep in the ground and put heat tape on everything. But since this is a once a decade occurrence down there, the financial incentive to implement such measures goes away quickly.

    Wig, go read Rip's post with the MarketTicker piece again: those delivery systems froze because the market "chose" to replace a natural-gas based delivery system with electric pumps.




    At the same time on a national basis the natural gas pipeline operators, in service to the woke green mob, have replaced fuel-fired pumps (that run on the gas in the pipe, therefore are failsafe so long as the pipe has something in it and is intact) with electrically powered booster pumps because, of course, you can get the power for them from "green" sources instead of all that eeee-vile carbon.

    I remind you that natural gas does not freeze at other than cryogenic temperatures and as such the problem is not the gas freezing and as for machinery you have plenty of heat source in the pipe. By putting up with and responding to the "woke mob" instead of immediately frying and eating their entire blood line these companies took an ultra-reliable and essential energy delivery system that other than by physical destruction would nearly-always continue to operate and turned it into a fragile system dependent on multiple outside elements where if any of those elements failed so does the natural gas delivery.
    And Jay, your trust in market forces is to be commended, but you are pitiful in your ignorance of the influence of government subsidies on this green energy movement. This is like macroeconomics 101 stuff, man.
    ...or did the new car market similarly overtake the used car space, when Obama had everyone destroying their perfectly fine moderately driven used cars (the gubmint, not market players, dubbed those "clunkers"), for some of that "market forces" gubmint ca$h?

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    Wig, go read Rip's post with the MarketTicker piece again: those delivery systems froze because the market "chose" to replace a natural-gas based delivery system with electric pumps.
    Unlikely. Even if a well has a gas pumping unit or gas compressor, if the non-heat traced well heads, instrument lines and aboveground pipelines are frozen, youÂ’re still not getting gas to move anywhere.

    I remind you that natural gas does not freeze at other than cryogenic temperatures and as such the problem is not the gas freezing...
    Gas comes out of the ground with water in it. Up here in the winter lands, well heads are heat traced and insulated, with glycol dehys and pipelines buried feet in the ground. Generally that is not how they do things in Texas, at least according to my oil and gas colleagues who have worked there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiigelec View Post
    As far as I understand the situation, even if Texas had 0% “renewable” power they would still have the same problem: frozen natural gas wells, frozen delivery system, and frozen generation facilities.
    While Texas still would have had problems, it would have had fewer problems. Thermal generation sources far outperformed the "renewable" sources -- it follows that had a larger percentage of power been generated by thermal sources that a larger percentage would have remained available through the crisis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas Laureys View Post
    And Jay, your trust in market forces is to be commended, but you are pitiful in your ignorance of the influence of government subsidies on this green energy movement.
    In this case, the market has been distorted in such a way as to drive the price of "renewable" sources down often below $0 at peak hours via subsidy. These perverse incentives are unlikely to change any time in the next four years, so Texans probably ought to stock up on winter-ready generators and wood to avoid disaster should this icy blast repeat itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by wiigelec View Post
    Unlikely. Even if a well has a gas pumping unit or gas compressor, if the non-heat traced well heads, instrument lines and aboveground pipelines are frozen, youÂ’re still not getting gas to move anywhere.

    Gas comes out of the ground with water in it. Up here in the winter lands, well heads are heat traced and insulated, with glycol dehys and pipelines buried feet in the ground. Generally that is not how they do things in Texas, at least according to my oil and gas colleagues who have worked there.
    In analysis up to this point, I strongly suspect that such an unlikely weather event as happened was considered worth the additional cost of investment. Winterization is not free. It is easy to say, with the benefit of hindsight and singular focus, "they ought to have done..." however you aren't the one making the investment -- I assume; perhaps you are a natural gas baron in Texas.

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