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    Quote Originally Posted by wal View Post
    Yes I am aware of that Mark, but that does not change anything, you may say "we are not depending on political leaders", however you are, the fore fathers of your country that framed the Constitution is what your depending on to protect you from bad leadership and to maintain your rights of freedom that are given under your constitution. You depend on good leaders to uphold your laws and rights and when you have folk like Biden and Harris you are going to vote for someone that will remove them.
    The few countries in the world that have legal documents mandating sovereignty as vested in the people, not the leaders, don’t have this problem that you describe. The US is one of them. Australia isn’t, which is why you are unable to understand the point of anything from the Second Amendment all the way up to the ivermectin thing. So you have been actively seeking psychological help for months now. Rip can’t really help you there. Nobody can really, you guys are still subjects of the crown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark E. Hurling View Post
    Simple and short answer. I don't currently get paperwork for my flu shot or my colonoscopy or my annual checkup from the doc. People die from the flu shot, I got an infection after my first colonoscopy some 20 years ago, which my doc back then said was not unusual, although he wasn't sure why. My own suspicions are the tube knocks some things loose and they get into the rest of the body. It took Cipro to get rid of it, so it was nothing to take lightly.

    So name your risks of doing and not doing things for medical and health reasons. I don't intend to live cowering from either the Kung Flu or the shots.
    As you say Mark there are risks in just about every thing we do, but we manage those hazards by considering the risk value of hazards we meet. My Dad use to say to me hospitals are dangerous places and that was 50 years ago, it was not the the CV-19, but golden staph infections, misdiagnosis, medical errors, but he still went there when he had to. Don't more people in the states die from medical error than just about anything except old age? About 250,000 per year. This world is a dangerous place, but fear is even worse, a paralyzing agent.

    Here in Aus all medical stuff including vaccinations is held by the federal government, so any paper work regarding what ever you have done medically is recorded, you can opt out of course, but if you have an extensive medical record the next doctor you see has to start from a blank page and that is not considered optimum for your long term health.

    However I have lived in India for a little while and I saw Tuberculosis, Leprosy, Malaria, Filariasis and Polio, and every dog was a potential rabies carrier and who knows what else was floating down the open sewer drains and what was in the well water, but I looked at the risks and got the Hep B, Cholera, Typhoid shots, Tetanus and of course packets of Imodium for Delhi belly before I went, fortunately I don't think I caught anything that I know of, but once you have lived in that kind of bacteria and virus rich environment I did not want particularly want to bring that stuff home. Every vaccine and medical procedure has a risk, that is why you sign a waver with the specialist before he operates as he does not want to be slapped with malpractice suit. That is just the way it is.

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    After pretending to sound the UK gov was on the fence about the whole idea for several months, Boris just announced that we now can expect domestic Covid passports which vaccination/antibody/test certification - just as Covid fatigue seems to be peaking here. This is why I am not prepared to be vaccinated. Getting to this stage was clearly the reason for the whole thing.

    I am not about to become an early adopter of a burgeoning social credit score system. WHY the hell would any of you people sign yourself up for this shit? I could possibly understand it if you're a somewhat selfish, individualistic 70+ year old, and you just what to enjoy the rest of your time in the characteristically hedonistic boomerish way, but the rest of us need to remain very vigilant about all this. It is not good.

    I was talking with a friend about how nice it would be, in the near future, to take our spinning rods to the beach as the mackerel are starting to come in, and then go for a pint, like we used to. Is that even going to be possible under "the new normal"? Are we going to have to get our faces scanned before the barman serves us? Will places like beaches even be accessible to me, given I have refused the vaccine, and score a measly 5.8 and beaches are for 9.0's and above only. It sounds far fetched, doesn't it? It's really not. Think about how intensely online people are. Think about how peoples' entire lives are enmeshed with Big Tech, and how they're dictated to by algorithms, without even realising it anymore. Prior to Covid, most people were happy give away every single bit of privacy for consumer convenience and novelty. We have been primed for this, and what comes next.

    I was always sceptical about the masks. It's clearly bullshit... but it served a greater purpose. Masks were required to keep this psy-op alive in the minds of the public. In this thread we've all (including the recently vaxxed Mr. Hurling, and my own 72 year old dad) recognised this virus, and even the state's restrictions (including masks), isn't some life ruining apocalypse today but I am begging you all to see this Covid passport like a baby's first practice run for many new horrors to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank_B View Post
    I don’t think people from outside the US will ever understand this. This whole country more or less started as a big “Fuck You” to authority. It has a long history of saying “Fuck You” to authority. Hell, the Declaration of Independence was one of the biggest “Fuck You’s” to authority ever written.

    Many of the people who immigrated here either did so because of austere conditions or because they were fleeing tyranny. They were all brave people. You don’t get on a vessel the size of the Mayflower and puke your guts out for months if you’re not brave. It’s in our “cultural DNA,” if you will.
    Many nations were founded like that. In fact, the Declaration of Independence was partly inspired by this Dutch document.

    Quote Originally Posted by George Christiansen View Post

    The fact that you think "OK, Boomer!" is ageist is exactly why you are the poster child for it.
    No one here cares about that stupid meme. You're proving him correct by using it to ridicule him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kitsuma View Post
    Freedom is having a choice. Americans are indeed still free to choose thanks to our 2nd amendment, and our overlords are very aware of this fact.
    This is precisely the point and why the US is less fucked than Europe. It's hard to admit for some, especially because the rest of the "western civilized world" (read: Europe) has been trained to look down on the US. Constantly bringing up crime statistics and abortion is evidence of this. It's been a very useful tool for our cultural leaders to distract from the 2nd A and take away the last remnants of gun rights over here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartyFox1 View Post
    I guess what I’m trying to say is that are three kinds of people in this hypothetical. Those that think that it’s a miracle of modern medicine to develop something in such a short timeframe that can alter people’s DNA to better fight an infection, who are happy to get the vaccine. Then there are those who think that there was an extreme market incentive for any pharmaceutical company to develop something they can call a vaccine as quickly as possible (the companies that have a product out the earliest capture the biggest share of the market) and are not legally liable for the consequences of producing an unsafe (or generally unhealthy, either short or long term) product, and those people do not get the vaccine. Then there is a third type of person who agrees with the second person, but gets the vaccine anyway. Those are the people I was referring to in my previous post.
    I'm in the category that realize that the vaccine does not change the DNA and that if there is a risk getting the shoot at all it is lower than winning the Powerball.

    People claiming that Covid-19 is not a threat need to explain to me why my experience (otherwise called anecdotal evidence):

    - Why have I never heard of someone dying from the flu before, but now I know several deseased by Covid-19? And one was relatively young

    - About 10% at my workplace got hit by Covid-19. Some didn't have a lot of problems, but several tell me about terrible experiences. Some are still having issues long time after being free of the virus

    - I know a nurse who tells me about the total chaos because of the number of people who are taken in to her hospital for treatment. According to her this is not according to the normal flu season

    Go get your vaccine when you get your chance like I did.

    Rippepinky, I'm looking forward to your spellcheck...

    I listened to the transgender podcast.

    What is this all about? I can't remember when I last met a transgender person and if happened it was some old guy who was completely unable to walk in high heels or a ladyboy at some bar in Thailand.

    The Olympics have allowed transgender people since 2004 and since then zero has qualified.

    Do transgender people have a physical advantage? I don't know. Probably.

    Is this a problem? NO!

    The identity politics discussion has different motives. It gives Conservatives an excuse to not formulate ideas.

    If the political discourse was about health care, infrastructure or other kitchen table discussions, Republicans would have zero chance.

    War on Christmas or discussions on who should use which bathroom is just completely useless!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soule View Post
    Good luck with your trust in mankind’s good intentions to keep you safe.
    Relying on the good will of others has played out poorly for many. Not the least of Whom was Jesus. Now that guy Peter had the right idea. He carried a sword and USED it in Gethsemane. Had he not been restrained, Jesus might have made good His escape. But then He knew how this was supposed to play out.

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    Can we knock it off with the murder rate shit already? No one is concerned about it. The people who live in high murder rate areas don't care (okay, maybe a few do, but the collective will there does not), because they allowed it to get like that. People who don't live in those places don't care either, because they don't live there, and those high murder rates are at least partly why. This is as much a silly veering off-topic as the attempts to bring up abortion.

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    In other non-Kung Flu news, the Chauvin trial seems to be off and not going well for the prosecution, IMO. As is the case in our judicial proceedings, the prosecution gets to lead off with their presentations of the evidence and witnesses. The defense seems to be eating their lunch on cross examination.

    First off, Floyd's significant other was crossed and had to discuss their mutual struggles with addiction to opioids. Since fentanyl and meth and cannabinoids were found in his tox screen. Not exactly a mix conducive to good health in the best of circumstances.

    Then there was the sergeant who trained Floyd having the fact, no doubt dragged out of him, that a knee to the body was a standard MPD tactic. He tried to recover that damage by saying that when the suspect had been restrained that the knee should be let up. Given the prior struggles and resistance to arrest by Floyd, how is that readily determined? Add to that the defense assertion that the crowd was a threatening and distracting factor during the arrest, and the testimony and other videos indicate there was plenty of both, how best to divide the attention of the cops involved between the two?

    Gonna be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soule View Post
    ...I’ll carry my gun when I feel like it, because this is ‘Merica. Fuck yeah. ....
    2A is alive and well on your hip. Let their nerves quiver. Most bad guys are cowards, dull, and opportunists. Not exactly Bond’s Mr. White, demanding the element of surprise. It’s mostly enough to look like an f’in crab with claws.

    If you’re concerned about your gun being taken by a much larger person (man, or woman = Equal-ity), carry a just-legal flipper knife in the opposite pocket (see Emerson’s line). It’s an equalizer.

    So it does get complicated. But the presence of mind is nutritious.

    Anyway, in times of yore, didn’t private citizens have personal warships?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonasfj70 View Post
    I'm in the category that realize that the vaccine does not change the DNA and that if there is a risk getting the shoot at all it is lower than winning the Powerball.

    People claiming that Covid-19 is not a threat need to explain to me why my experience (otherwise called anecdotal evidence):

    - Why have I never heard of someone dying from the flu before, but now I know several deseased by Covid-19? And one was relatively young

    - About 10% at my workplace got hit by Covid-19. Some didn't have a lot of problems, but several tell me about terrible experiences. Some are still having issues long time after being free of the virus

    - I know a nurse who tells me about the total chaos because of the number of people who are taken in to her hospital for treatment. According to her this is not according to the normal flu season

    Go get your vaccine when you get your chance like I did.

    Rippepinky, I'm looking forward to your spellcheck...

    I listened to the transgender podcast.

    What is this all about? I can't remember when I last met a transgender person and if happened it was some old guy who was completely unable to walk in high heels or a ladyboy at some bar in Thailand.

    The Olympics have allowed transgender people since 2004 and since then zero has qualified.

    Do transgender people have a physical advantage? I don't know. Probably.

    Is this a problem? NO!

    The identity politics discussion has different motives. It gives Conservatives an excuse to not formulate ideas.

    If the political discourse was about health care, infrastructure or other kitchen table discussions, Republicans would have zero chance.

    War on Christmas or discussions on who should use which bathroom is just completely useless!
    Are there any intelligent leftists? Do I really need to spell-check this for you?

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