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    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Rowe View Post
    Respectfully, but utterly disagree. I mean... the Pinkertons. Also, there are actually still privatized police forces: the railroads.

    Privatizing the police force will be like pouring Dawn instead of bleach into a stopped-up toilet when the clog runs all the way to the street and beyond. We need to hold politicians accountable at the state and local level first and foremost. From them, the executive functions of policy and practice that drive the way police behave will change over time, but it all starts with people paying attention, thinking, and then doing their civic duty to be involved enough to hold people accountable. Recent examples of this, nationwide, have demonstrated that our ruling elites typically fold like a cheap card table

    Actually, I think it would be beneficial to have states decide on supplementing local and county police agencies in order to raise salaries where it's most needed: rural areas. The problem, now, is that those areas are so underfunded because they have almost non-existent tax bases (that are already terribly overburdened by federal taxes) that they can't afford to pay police well. That leaves two people who get into and STAY in policing long-term. Those who are sufficiently dedicated for the right reasons... or the wrong reasons. That's also, actually, Reagan's fault to some extent.
    Look, this is not a hill I'm gonna die on. I may be wrong. I do recall the Pinkertons. I also recall that the very start of the police was to hunt down escaped slaves. I also think that Jocko Willink (and others like him) needs to be put in control of police training no matter which way it goes. But here's the thing- I don't cause shit. I don't go around stealing or starting fights. But even I have had abysmal interactions with the police. I've also had the misfortune to try to befriend one and found out what a rotten human being he really was. I've heard and seen police actions time and time again that were so wrong. And don't get me started on corrections officers. My mind is open to there being good cops. I trust Rip if he says the WF police have acted decently. But I've never personally interacted with a police officer who wasn't a total asshat. I see that as a function of who they serve-who hired them. They don't actually answer to us citizens. They answer to the politicians. And I think changing that might be a good way to reign in their power.

    It's automatically a fraught thing. Pretending that someone has the right to control another's behavior. We shouldn't do it lightly. It should only be done for the protection of rights. Right now we have way too many wolves with that power and not enough sheep dogs. I'm not sure this is going to change under current voting circumstances because a lot of these people voting don't actually have a dog in the fight. I don't really give a shit what illegal immigrants and college students think. They aren't forming ties in my community. They aren't buying property and starting businesses and generally putting down roots here. But they get a say in this shit anyway. There's no way to hold people accountable under these circumstances. Never mind the enormous amounts of money in politics which dictates what the politicians do which then dictates what the cops do. We've all seen this as this pandemic has gone on. If the cops were privatized would Atlas Gym be fighting its legal battle? Would LA restaurants have had to watch as they closed up while the rich were hosting all kinds of parties?

    More and more private police is taking a role, whether we agree with it or not. Unions and pensions are where the money is going which means that department after department is closing and shifting the burden. Camden, Sacramento, Millbrea. Good luck getting a cop to respond to a burglary call. Same here. The other day when I went to the corner store the lady had closed it up because some shit went down and she got hurt. She was waiting on the cops while still bleeding because the ambulance wouldn't come till the cops cleared them and the cops hadn't shown up yet even though the precinct is in walking distance. I had to drive down to the precinct (cuz it's hot and I'm lazy) and bitch at them to come see about it. Yet, the neighborhood association pays a security company to patrol the neighborhood. Guess whose patrol car I see more often? I see no way in which my current safety situation is improved by the police. Or hers. This scenario is repeated in neighborhoods everywhere. More and more it's the private firms taking care of people's needs. When Whole Foods came to Jackson (not that I'm a fan but it was a big deal to win the contract) guess where they went? To the Highland Village area where the security is. South Jackson which relies on the police hasn't seen a new grocery store in over a decade and the ones that were there have left. It's practically a wasteland of payday loan places and small corner stores with short Indian men behind glass. So no, I'm not sure that privatization is the answer but I don't think "holding politicians accountable" is possible even with civic engagement. I don't think we can out-money the corporations to pull the political loyalty back to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe View Post
    Such amazing courage! To get the free trip and get all the swag and free publicity for her book tour, acting career, the late night shows, and the money it will generate -- she's a remarkable woman.
    I had never heard of the Babylon Bee until this thread, but they pretty much nailed it right here: Athlete So Oppressed By America That She's Representing America In The Olympics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Schexnayder View Post
    I had never heard of the Babylon Bee until this thread, but they pretty much nailed it right here: Athlete So Oppressed By America That She's Representing America In The Olympics
    You don't need the Babylon Bee when you have actual reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Le Comte View Post
    Yes there are weapons locked their vehicles and they need authorisation from a superior to unlock those. I am not aware of any cases where access has been authorised unless there was a credible threat or risk of violence to the officers.
    So the answer would be: Yes, the police are armed.

    In hindsight, I've been using the wrong term, you're not living in a Police State, you're living in a Nanny State. However, there are a lot of overlap between the two, so sometimes it's hard at first look to see the difference. I guess the biggest difference, is the Nanny State promises to protect you from yourself, where the Police State just tells you what to do.

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    Not covid-related, but Dr Kendrick's latest blog post includes reference to a new open access paper by Katherine Flegal that may be of interest to some.

    The obesity wars and the education of a researcher: A personal account

    "We also found that overweight was associated with slightly but significantly fewer deaths than normal weight. A quick glance at the literature suggested that our findings about overweight were not particularly unusual. We were unprepared for the firestorm that followed."

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    Probably Dr Gold's most important speech to date a must listen. At the end there is a sit down discussion. About 36 minutes in Dr Gold describes in detail her arrest by the FBI.
    Dr. Gold: Awaken

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald Boggs View Post
    So the answer would be: Yes, the police are armed.

    In hindsight, I've been using the wrong term, you're not living in a Police State, you're living in a Nanny State. However, there are a lot of overlap between the two, so sometimes it's hard at first look to see the difference. I guess the biggest difference, is the Nanny State promises to protect you from yourself, where the Police State just tells you what to do.
    Agreed that many people think NZ is a nanny state (though I think the term is rather vague). I'm not sure how much overlap there is between a police state and a nanny state, but of course that gets down to semantics.

    To me police state makes me think of examples like 1984, Nazi Germany, Pinochet Chile etc. I would characterize as the use of force to retain power. IMO, the ideas of some in the US about re-education camps for Trump supporters would be an example of Police State action.

    To me a nanny state is a consequence of the welfare state (which New Zealand absolutely is). Well intentioned bureaucrats look at the health budget and costs and start putting more and more guidance and restriction on things like tobacco, alcohol and healthy food (at silly types of exercise). I would characterize as the "we know better than you (or the public is too stupid to make good decisions without our help)".

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilead View Post
    Even if you don't watch the whole speech the intro is worth watching Dr. Simone Gold | The Fight Against Medical Corruption
    Arrested by the FBI, by 20 agents with guns drawn, broke down the door. Purely for intimidation. Amazing what has happened to federal law enforcement.

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    [QUOTE=cmdrfunk;1817434]We're just full on soviet russia at this point.

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    "The whistleblower, who is in a position to know, repeated back to us information about a story that we are working on, that could have only come directly from my texts and emails. There's no other possible source for that information, period. The NSA captured that information without our knowledge, and did it for political reasons.

    The Biden administration is spying on is. We have confirmed that. This morning we filed a FOIA request asking for all information that the NSA and other agencies have gathered about this show."


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